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Shvybzik: Where did it come from?
« on: August 16, 2011, 12:53:26 AM »
I know Olga was the one who refered to Anastasia as Shvybzik, adopted from the German word for tipsy, but the girls only had a smattering of German they knew. How did Olga know such a word?

(I was torn where to put this thread, but since the name concerns Anastasia, I put it here.)
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Re: Shvybizk: Where did it come from?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2011, 08:30:25 AM »
I don't think Olga N. made up the nickname.

Olga A's The Last Grand Duchess, gives the impression that it's something the elder members of the family came up with.

I wonder how old Anastasia was when they started using this nickname. What's the earliest recorded use of Shvybzik?
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Re: Shvybizk: Where did it come from?
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2011, 10:06:08 AM »
Ahhhhh! I misspelled it! (I mean Shvybzik! ;)) can you change the thread name?

(would that be senior members of the court, or family?
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Re: Shvybizk: Where did it come from?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2011, 11:29:15 AM »
I have in my info file a stat by Olga A. I don't know where it comes from, and it is in Italian. But look

Anastasija, o Švibzik, com'ero solita chiamarla,

Anastasija, o Švibzik, as i used to call her.

Maybe it was Ol'ga A who named her so? I recall her first husband had German origins...
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Re: Shvybzik: Where did it come from?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2011, 04:00:24 PM »
(would that be senior members of the court, or family?

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Re: Shvybzik: Where did it come from?
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2011, 06:06:08 PM »
Thanks Sarushka! Could Alexandra have started Shvybzik? She certainly had the knowledge, and was quite close to the girls. (although the thought comes to me now, wouldn't that be a better nickname for Alexei? "I hear my tummy rumbling!" :D)
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Re: Shvybzik: Where did it come from?
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2011, 07:25:37 PM »
The only family remembers I can recall using "Shvybzik" in writing are Olga A, Olga N, and Anastasia herself.
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Re: Shvybzik: Where did it come from?
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2011, 10:47:14 PM »
I wonder: Why was it only Olga, out of all her sisters, that used shvybizk *frequently*? I'm sure the others used it some, but as other posters have mentioned, Olga really did it a lot. Was it because of the fact that Anastasia was such the little clown, and Olga's and her personalities were so different . . . okay, not sure where I went with that. But if anybody gets my drift, please tell me (and even if they don't, I'd still like to know the answer to my question ;-D).
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Re: Shvybzik: Where did it come from?
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2011, 12:51:41 AM »
The only family remembers I can recall using "Shvybzik" in writing are Olga A, Olga N, and Anastasia herself.

I've found out that Maria used it too in her ekaterinburg - tobolsk letters, Sarah.
Letter of 18 april /1 may (Tsarevitch, page 265 when she is ending the letter)
Letter of 26 april / 9 may (tsarevitch, page 281)
Letter of 3/ 16 may (tsarevitch, page 288 - twice)

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Re: Shvybzik: Where did it come from?
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2011, 01:15:43 AM »
So Olga N, Olga A, Maria, and maybe Anastasia called AN Shvybzik. Supposedly Olga A/husband came up with it from the German word for tipsy. Maria used it in Ekaterinburg, does anyone have an Olga letter where she says it (I know there is one, but not a date.) Olga A may have just talked to her as Shvybzik.
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Re: Shvybzik: Where did it come from?
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2011, 01:32:37 AM »
If a German connection is called for , it also  wouldn't surprise me if this name was coined on the family's long visit to Germany in 1910....But if I remember Olga's  A book correctly , OlgaA was fond of  this name for AN....she makes a point to tell  us she used it...that's significant to me. The name 's meaning ,"  tipsy"  reminds  me of that photo of  the family and suite at an outdoor picnic...and AN is on the ground , her legs up, because her chair as tipped over and everyone is giggling  trying not laugh out loud lol!

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Re: Shvybzik: Where did it come from?
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2011, 01:43:04 AM »
Could you post the picture? Pretty please?
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Re: Shvybzik: Where did it come from?
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2011, 06:38:24 AM »
does anyone have an Olga letter where she says it (I know there is one, but not a date.)

I have Talya. Letters from Tobolsk to Ekaterinburg. Do you want the original French, or only english transl, or both?
I mean Olga N, not Olga A, alas.
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Re: Shvybzik: Where did it come from?
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2011, 08:49:57 AM »




The only family remembers I can recall using "Shvybzik" in writing are Olga A, Olga N, and Anastasia herself.

I've found out that Maria used it too in her ekaterinburg - tobolsk letters, Sarah.
Letter of 18 april /1 may (Tsarevitch, page 265 when she is ending the letter)
Letter of 26 april / 9 may (tsarevitch, page 281)
Letter of 3/ 16 may (tsarevitch, page 288 - twice)

Thanks, Sunny. I'm not as familiar with those letters as I am with the English and Russian ones.
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Re: Shvybzik: Where did it come from?
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2011, 09:03:05 AM »
How adorable! It even looks like something Nastya would do!

Interesting, Sunny - I didn't know about those letters either. So Maria called her that, too? Is there any evidence that Tatiana ever called her shvybizk?
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