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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #60 on: February 20, 2005, 06:07:51 PM »
On the subject of Queen Victoria, I wonder if the present Queen dips into her great, great grandmother's diaries to see if she can pick up some hints as to how to deal with an a difficult, determined son who also happens to be Prince of Wales - heir to her throne.   After all, there is no self-help group she can turn to for advice or a councillor who specialises in royal rebels.

Can' remember how the dates fall.   Does anyone know is it possible that Queen Victoria was aware of Mrs Keppel's existence in her son's life or was the queen already dead before Mrs Keppel arrived on the scene.

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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #61 on: February 20, 2005, 06:14:33 PM »
He met her in early 1898 when she was presented to him on the Riviera; she became his mistress soon afterwards...but apparently he didn't quite live up to her expectations ::)

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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2005, 06:02:17 AM »
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He met her in early 1898 when she was presented to him on the Riviera; she became his mistress soon afterwards...but apparently he didn't quite live up to her expectations ::)


Bluetoria, do enlighten!  What do you mean 'he didn't quite live up to her expectations'?
I'm quite sure that he made up for it in cash perks and jewellery!  Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose....
I would hazard a guess and say that the existence of such a creature, again neither titled or wealthy, would probably have been screened from the aged Queen.
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'The important things is not what they think of me, but what I think of them.'......QV

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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2005, 06:40:47 AM »
bluetoria

Do you think since Bertie met Mrs Keppel in 1898 and Queen Victoria did not die until 1901, she would have known of the liaison.   Like Martyn, I am intrigued by your remarks - can you - dare you enlarge?!

So there is a chance the Queen might have the opportunity of taking a leaf out of her great, great grandmother's book on this subject.

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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #64 on: February 21, 2005, 07:37:43 AM »
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  Like Martyn, I am intrigued by your remarks - can you - dare you enlarge?!

So there is a chance the Queen might have the opportunity of taking a leaf out of her great, great grandmother's book on this subject.

tsaria


I am FAR too refined to go into details so I'm afraid I cannot enlarge (nor, for the last 15 years of his life, could the king! ;) - According to Skittles & hinted at by Mrs. K.)
But poor Alice K. was so dreadfully devoted to him that she missed him when he was away. One day someone said to her,
"Hush someone's coming,"
To which she replied, ruefully, "It certainly won't be the king."
Make of it what you will!

QV certainly knew of Bertie's mistresses & commented that Alix had a 'lot to put up with.' There is also an interesting quotation of hers regarding  Bertie's many unsuitable friends:
"If ever you become King you will find all these friends most inconvenient, and you will have to break with them all!"
(He didn't take her advice!)

I imagine our present Queen might - when she's not too depressed by it all - view this present situation as Queen Alexandra did Bertie & Alice K. Looking out of a window she saw them sitting together one day 'like two plump partridges' & she thought they looked so odd she just rolled about laughing.
Well C & C don't make such a pretty pair, either, do they?

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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2005, 07:50:14 AM »
How funny!  So it would appear that Alice Keppel's duties were perhaps less strenuous than previously imagined?
And you are right.  Mrs Keppel, despite her later tendency to corpulence, obviously not getting enough exercise (!) was a lovely woman by all accounts.  This pair are prosaic in the extreme.........
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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2005, 03:26:19 PM »
Camilla still appears a fit woman for her age.   However, the Prince of Wales looks like a man a good ten to fifteen years older.   I hope Mrs Barker Bowles is not encountering similar problems to those of her great grandmother experienced.

Why am I writing this... quite frankly my dears, I don't give a .... hoot.

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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #67 on: February 22, 2005, 07:13:57 AM »
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Camilla still appears a fit woman for her age.   However, the Prince of Wales looks like a man a good ten to fifteen years older.   I hope Mrs Barker Bowles is not encountering similar problems to those of her great grandmother experienced.

Why am I writing this... quite frankly my dears, I don't give a .... hoot.

tsaria


I think that she is very attractive, and since her make-over looks quite glamorous.
However bias-cut Versace should be proscribed from her wardrobe.........
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« Reply #68 on: February 22, 2005, 04:47:40 PM »
I was just thinking that one of the most underestimated aspects of Queen Victoria is her brilliant sense of humour. There are so many phrases & asides in her letters which make me laugh out loud. (e.g. the part about the woman who gave her an ostrich egg, which she had signed, & QV said the woman was so proud, 'You'd have thought she'd laid it herself.' - or her very witty descriptions of many people & her phrases that stick in the mind like 'odious Gunther' etc. etc.)
The accounts of her laughing almost uncontrollably at dinners etc. are also very funny.
I just thought I'd write that because - in the light of many other events occuring in the UK & discussed at very great length - it might do us good to think of something amusing :) :)
(Like Queen Victoria...who WAS amused!)

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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #69 on: February 23, 2005, 05:13:21 AM »
Yes, Bluetoria, QV's sense of humour was VERY acute!

There's also the story that, following the tragic sinking of HMS Eurydice, QV summoned the Superintendent of the Dockyard, Admiral Foley, to report to her at Osborne.  He was quite elderly and deaf by this time and apparently went on and on about the recovery of the sunken ship.  QV decided to change the subject and enquired about the Admiral's sister.  He clearly misheard her and bellowed:

"Well Ma'am, I am going to have her turned over and take a good look at her bottom and have it well scraped".  

QV apparently had to put down her knife and fork, hide her face in her handkerchief and she shook and heaved with laughter until the tears ran down her face, whilst the attendant footmen had to take refuge behind a screen to recover...

This is from Queen Victoria A Portrait by Giles St. Aubyn.




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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #70 on: February 23, 2005, 11:03:21 AM »
Thanks, Grace ;D
I think she was funny, too, even when she didn't intend to be. Something that made me laugh a lot was when she went to see Leopold when he was ill (which she didn't often do!). On his wall she saw he had a picture of Lily Langtry so she, without a word, climbed up on a chair & removed it, before even bothering to look & see how Leopold was. (I laughed at the mental image of her in her widow's weeds climbing onto the chair...)

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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #71 on: February 23, 2005, 07:50:53 PM »
Yes, that story is also hilarious.  One could see a similar scenario happening even today...!  

Apparently, also, even though he was in awe of QV,  there is a story of Bertie (Edward VII) sitting somewhere with his mother and the two of them were "rocking with laughter" together...

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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #72 on: February 24, 2005, 06:02:15 AM »
Not half as funny as some of the stuff that she wrote in her letters, not intendiing to be funny!
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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #73 on: February 24, 2005, 07:33:46 AM »
Well, Martyn, as you would know, people are often at their funniest when they're not trying to be...!

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Re: Queen Victoria & Prince Albert--Photos and Information
« Reply #74 on: February 24, 2005, 09:22:42 AM »
I always liked the story about how, due to a timing mix-up, she arrived first for the marriage of GV & QM in 1893 (she normally would've been the last to arrive). She just sailed in anyway and remarked that it was very amusing to watch the faces of various royals as they came in and saw her there already. She also found it entertaining to have this new perspective on everything--something her rank usually prevented.
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