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Re: Ernst's Memoirs
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2015, 10:31:43 AM »
Ella:
"Ella war die Schwester, welche mir in vielen Arten am ähnlichsten war. Wir verstanden uns in allem beinahe immer, denn sie fühlte sich in mich hinein, wie wenige Schwestern es getan haben. Sie war eine der schönsten Frauen. Einmal wie wir beide ganz früh am Morgen in Venedig gingen, sah ich, wie einige Leute, die ihre Sachen auf den Markt brachten, andachtsvoll hinter ihr hergingen und zu einander murmelten: “O che la bella!"

"Sie war musikalisch und hatte eine warme Stimme. Besonders aber malte und zeichnete sie viel. Sie genoß es auch, sich schön anzuziehen. Das war nicht aus Eitelkeit, sondern aus Freude daran, etwas Schönes zu schaffen. Sie hatte sehr viel Humor und konnte Sachen, die ihr passierten, auf hinreißend komische Art erzählen. Wie oft haben wir fassungslos zusammen gesessen und über einen komischen Vorfall gelacht."

Irene:
"Meine Schwester Irene, schon als Kind wollte immer alles zwischen ihren Geschwistern schlichten und war immer bedacht, daß wir das Richtige täten und nichts vergaßen. Da sie sanguinisch ist, übertrieb sie dies mit Geschäftigkeit, sodaß wir sie “Aunt Fuss" nannten. Sie hatte früher beim Reiten eine sehr leichte Hand und eine große Tanzleidenschaft wie ich. Oft haben wir beide, die Melodie singend, zusammen in leeren Sälen getanzt. Ihre offizielle Verlobung mit Heinrich von Preußen wurde in Berlin am 90. Geburtstag des Kaiser Wilhelm I. gefeiert. Ihre Hochzeit in Charlottenburg war eine kleine und sehr traurige. Sie war am 24. Mai 1888 (Großmamas Geburtstag). Am 9. März war der alte Kaiser Wilhelm I. gestorben. Die alte Kaiserin Augusta saß wie ein schwarzes Gespenst im Rollstuhl dabei. Kaiser Friedrich war eigentlich sterbend. Er starb am 15. Juni, sodaß die Jungvermählten gleich dabei waren. Die Hochzeit war so früh nach dem Tode Kaiser Wilhelms anberaumt worden, weil er absolut bei der Trauung seines Sohnes dabei sein wollte und nicht wußte, wie lange er noch leben würde. Ihr verheiratetes Leben war glücklich, aber oft nicht leicht, weil besonders im Anfang mein Schwager Heinrich unberechenbar war, und da mußte sie Streitigkeiten immer schlichten. Es ging aber stets gut aus, weil sein Gentleman-Gefühl und schlichten. Es ging aber stets gut aus, weil sein Gentleman-Gefühl und sein gutes Herz ihn zuletzt zur Einsicht leiteten. Ihr Sohn Waldemar, der immer krank ist und oft am Tode war, ist eine stete Sorge, wenn er auch sein Leiden mit rührender Geduld trägt. Ihr dritter Sohn Heinrich starb jung."

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"May war immer vergnügt und sonnig, so recht zum Lieben. Ich liebte sie auch mit meinem ganzen Herzen. Ihr erster  Strickversuch, eine Zipfelmütze, lag auf meinem Kopfkissen  über 20 Jahre lang, bis sie ganz zerfiel."

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Re: Ernst's Memoirs
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2015, 05:05:23 AM »
Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig's memoirs were published in 1983. The publication is protected by copyright. Aren't you violating copyrights when posting such large sections of that publication without proper permission of the editor/publisher?
« Last Edit: November 09, 2015, 05:08:51 AM by Helen »
"The Correspondence of the Empress Alexandra of Russia with Ernst Ludwig and Eleonore, Grand Duke and Duchess of Hesse. 1878-1916"  -  http://www.bod.de/index.php?id=296&objk_
"Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig and Princess Alix of Hesse and by Rhine in Italy - 1893"

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Re: Ernst's Memoirs
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2015, 09:18:21 AM »
I didn't mean to if I am; most of the parts I posted are parts I've seen shared on other blogs etc. The parts about the siblings - I haven't seen the parts about Alice and Louis shared anywhere. I got what I shared on the snippet preview on GoogleBooks.

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« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2015, 01:50:40 PM »
Google's 'snippet views' are excerpts of two to three lines of text surrounding queried search terms; they are displayed "in cases where Google does not have permission of the copyright owner to display a preview", as Wikipedia phrases it.

The total word count of the excerpts that you have posted here is about 1,500 (!!), so you must have combined quite a number of snippet previews without proper permission of the copyright owner.
The fact that you have also posted these excerpts elsewhere without permission doesn't make it okay, does it - only worse.
"The Correspondence of the Empress Alexandra of Russia with Ernst Ludwig and Eleonore, Grand Duke and Duchess of Hesse. 1878-1916"  -  http://www.bod.de/index.php?id=296&objk_
"Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig and Princess Alix of Hesse and by Rhine in Italy - 1893"

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Re: Ernst's Memoirs
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2015, 03:10:50 PM »
The fact that you have also posted these excerpts elsewhere without permission doesn't make it okay, does it - only worse.
Correction: The fact that most of these excerpts have also been posted elsewhere without permission doesn't make it okay.
"The Correspondence of the Empress Alexandra of Russia with Ernst Ludwig and Eleonore, Grand Duke and Duchess of Hesse. 1878-1916"  -  http://www.bod.de/index.php?id=296&objk_
"Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig and Princess Alix of Hesse and by Rhine in Italy - 1893"

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Re: Ernst's Memoirs
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2015, 07:10:55 PM »
Sorry, If you want to take it down you can. I didn't really realize it was still under copyright - some books that there are snippet previews are not.

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Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2015, 07:47:05 AM »
Most books from 1983 are still protected by copyright.

I cannot remove your posts. Why don't you remove them yourself or ask the Forum Admin to do so.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2015, 07:48:43 AM by Helen »
"The Correspondence of the Empress Alexandra of Russia with Ernst Ludwig and Eleonore, Grand Duke and Duchess of Hesse. 1878-1916"  -  http://www.bod.de/index.php?id=296&objk_
"Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig and Princess Alix of Hesse and by Rhine in Italy - 1893"

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Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2015, 10:36:35 AM »
Queen Missy, You can copy and paste all of that in google translate and there you will get a close translation of the whole text.

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Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2017, 12:12:57 PM »
well im sure that VEIA were good wifes, who loved their Husbands.

But i wonder how much  jealous Irene and Victoria were.

well i think it was hard, even for  Irene, who wanted more private time with Henry. But his brother Willy gave him so much to do.
Always to  represent  his work and replace him.

Victoria i guess was not happy but she was not  so unhappy if Louis was at sea. She spend her time with travel to Russia, Germany and England.

Im sure Irene and Victoria knew that it will be not easy if their Husband was át Sea for long time. (sometimes for 6 months or longer)

But what you think ? Were  Irene and Victoria jealous if  Henry and Louis was at  Sea, who visitet  sometimes a  port and  could meet mabye other woman ?

I think Victorias love for Louis was strong enough, she was a tomboy, but Irene ?



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Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2017, 03:07:41 AM »
well im sure that VEIA were good wifes, who loved their Husbands.

But i wonder how much  jealous Irene and Victoria were.

well i think it was hard, even for  Irene, who wanted more private time with Henry. But his brother Willy gave him so much to do.
Always to  represent  his work and replace him.

Victoria i guess was not happy but she was not  so unhappy if Louis was at sea. She spend her time with travel to Russia, Germany and England.

Im sure Irene and Victoria knew that it will be not easy if their Husband was át Sea for long time. (sometimes for 6 months or longer)

But what you think ? Were  Irene and Victoria jealous if  Henry and Louis was at  Sea, who visitet  sometimes a  port and  could meet mabye other woman ?

I think Victorias love for Louis was strong enough, she was a tomboy, but Irene ?

I have never heard of Victoria or Irene to have suffered from jealousy issues with their husbands, although unfortunately I confess myself not to be the most knowledgeable. In regards to love, I have no doubt that both Victoria and Irene’s marriages were love matches. All four of the Hessian sisters were inclined to make their own choices when it came to marriage.

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Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2017, 12:00:36 PM »
yea

but what is with the roumour that Henry had two sons outside  of his marriege ?

here i have the link about it from this Forum.


http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=15791.msg552583#new

mabe yeah he had a affair with this Julie, but i think and i hope it was before his marriage.


its strange that the Information come out so late.



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Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2017, 02:46:58 PM »
This is the first time I'm hearing about it, so I would have no idea, though one would hope that any stories of unfaithfulness during the marriage is untrue.

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Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2017, 01:25:01 AM »
I hope so. But I had read a German article about henry, where he was very often in Hamburg. He spend few days there, he wrote in his diary, that he eat and sleep in the "4 jahreszeiten " 4season  hotel. And I have read that this julie was a singer in Hamburg. Henry visitet friends there...well I don't think that he could be unfaithful, but it's strange that julie and henry were in Hamburg.

At all I think it's not true, because the information came really late. I don't think that he cheated on Irene.


Here I have a link about him Irene, so when I had read this site, i think one more that he didn't do that. And if yes than before his marriage.

http://heirstothethrone-project.net/?page_id=2647


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VEIA-were godmothers from... ?
« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2017, 03:14:01 PM »
i have a question:

Did someone know if Victoria, Ella Irene and Alix were godmothers and from who ?

i had read that Ella was the godmother from Alice (daugther from VHM)

and Irene from anastasia right ?

Victoria from Tatjana i guess.


But was Alix a godmother too ?


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Re: VEIA-were godmothers from... ?
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2017, 11:44:30 PM »
Ella was also a godmother to Olga Nikolaevna, as I learnt from Ella's biographer, Christopher Warwick.

Below is a letter Maria Nikolaevna wrote to her Aunt Ella two months before their deaths. Given that it is signed "Your loving god-daughter", it suggests that Ella was also a godmother to Maria Nikolaevna.

He is Risen Indeed! We kiss you, dearest, three times. Thank you very much for the eggs, chocolate coffee. Mama drank her first cup of coffee with great pleasure, it was very good. It's very good for her headaches, and as it happens we hadn't taken any with us. We learnt from the papers that you had been sent away from your convent, and were very sad for you. It's strange that we should all end up in the same province under arrest. We hope that you will be able to spend the summer somewhere out of town, in Verkhoturie or in some monastery. We have so missed having a church. My address: Ekaterinburg, The Regional Executive Committee, To the Chairman for transmission to me. May God keep you + Your loving god-daughter.

Unfortunately, I have no further knowledge about which Hessian sister was godmother to which Romanov sister.
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