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Offline rudy3

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Re: Why the Yusupov Palace?
« Reply #60 on: July 29, 2013, 02:54:16 AM »
Forum Admin, this opinion of yours implicates, that you do not support the Post Mortem as published by Cook? In this report it says: The left-hand side has a gasping wound inflicted by some sharp object or possibly a spur. The right eye has come out of its orbital cavity and fallen on the face. At the corner of the right eye the skin is torn. The right ear is torn and partially detached. The neck has a wound caused by a blunt object. The vicitim's face and body bear the signs of blows inflicted by some flexible but hard object. The genitals have been crushed due to the effect of a similar object.
These wounds point to some kind of torture.
But, as said before, this PM is most likely a fake.
I go for the information by Kosorotov that was published in Russkaya Volya and that does not mention these wounds.
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Re: Why the Yusupov Palace?
« Reply #61 on: July 30, 2013, 01:36:46 AM »
Forum Admin, would you be so good as to provide the sources for your THERE WAS NO TORTURE.  I have seen no primary source and only have the Russkaya Volya interview of Kosorotov on which to go.  In that he describes the many injuries to the body stating that some of them (eg the smashing of the head on the bridge supports) occurred posthumously.  That implies that some of the injuries were inflicted before death.  I suggest that such injuries would be consistent with his being questioned and tortured.  How else are they to be explained?  Please, Forum Admin, where is Kosorotov quoted as saying there was no torture?  What are your sources for your reply?     

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Re: Why the Yusupov Palace?
« Reply #62 on: July 30, 2013, 03:18:20 AM »
Having read the same source as John Walker, I would suggest that the injuries are consistent with a severe kicking while Rasputin was on the floor. From my enthusiastic reading of books on crime, I can say that it doesn't actually take much to knock an eye out of its socket, and I can say from personal experience that the skin around the eyes splits fairly easily.

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Re: Why the Yusupov Palace?
« Reply #63 on: July 30, 2013, 08:53:26 AM »
Modern forensic analysis of the photos and descriptions shows that much of the damage was most likely done after the fatal shots, dragging the body, wrapping, throwing into the car and hitting the bridge before the water, not to mention in the ice strewn river itself, and during the recovery process itself where a large metal hook was used.

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Re: Why the Yusupov Palace?
« Reply #64 on: July 30, 2013, 02:51:32 PM »
Didn't one of Rasputin's asailants, I think Felix, admit to having struck Rasputin about the head with a dumbbell, which would certainly account for his wounds by a means other than torture?
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Re: Why the Yusupov Palace?
« Reply #65 on: July 30, 2013, 03:01:21 PM »
To be honest. I don't believe a word of Yussupov's account of the evening.  I think he did nothing but lie about every single thing he ever said about the night.

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Re: Why the Yusupov Palace?
« Reply #66 on: July 30, 2013, 06:55:31 PM »
Didn't one of Rasputin's asailants, I think Felix, admit to having struck Rasputin about the head with a dumbbell, which would certainly account for his wounds by a means other than torture?

I remember reading this too.
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Re: Why the Yusupov Palace?
« Reply #67 on: August 01, 2013, 12:55:43 PM »
If memory serves Margarita Nelipa concluded that the injuries were mostly incurred post-mortem.
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Re: Why the Yusupov Palace?
« Reply #68 on: August 01, 2013, 03:30:47 PM »
Richard Cullen also came to that same concusion.

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Re: Why the Yusupov Palace?
« Reply #69 on: August 02, 2013, 09:22:55 AM »
Talking about those injuries, some might have been inflicted by Yusupov, using a rubber truncheon, given to him by Vaslly Maklakov, "just in case". as he writes in his Memoirs. The role or participation in the murder of Vasily Maklakov, a lawyer and member of the State Duma is interesting. He is mentioned in the memoirs of Yusupov, as provider of that truncheon, and of Purishkevitch, as provider of the poison. But in 1923, in a foreword to a reprint of Purishkevitch Memoirs, he declines the suggestion of having provided Yusupov with the poison. And in 1928 in a Parisian Russian magazin he tells his own story of how Yusupov "got" the truncheon from him. Well, it is possible this truncheon was used ... (A picture of this truncheon appeared in the Parisian Russian magazine Illustrirovannaya Rossiya - La Russie Illustrée in 1932)