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Offline JamesAPrattIII

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Alexandra's regiments
« on: May 15, 2012, 08:49:27 PM »
Here is a listing of the regiments Alexandra was honorary Colonel of:
21st Her Imperial Highness Alexandra Foedorovna's Siberian Rifle Regiment with the 6th Siberian Division V Siberian corps was with the 8th Army during the Brusilov offensive mention in the 6 & 18 June 1916 letters of the Tsar to the Tsarista
5th Her Supreme Majesty Alexandra Feodoronva's Aleksandriya Hussars with the 5th Cavalry division 4th army at the start of the war mentioned in the 24 Oct 1914 letter Tsar to the Tsarista
Her Imperial Highness the Sovereign Empress Axandra Feodorovna's Crimean horse Regiment was with the VII corps at the start of WW I later was with the XXXXI corps 9th army during the Brusilov offensive mentioned in the 18 june 1916 letter Tsar to the tsarista.
If I find more on these units I will post it. i hope this is of some interest.

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Re: Alexandra's regiments
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2012, 09:02:23 PM »
There was another regiment Alexandra was honorary colonel of but this was one honor I don't think was to happy about. The unit was a Prussian/german guards regiment:
2nd Guard Dragoon regiment Empress Alexandra of Russia it was part of the German Guards cavalry division which served on the russian front from June 1915 to 1918.

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Re: Alexandra's regiments
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2012, 06:06:11 PM »
errata:
Her Sovereign Majesty Empress Alexandra Feodorovna Life Guards Lancer regiment 2nd cavalry division

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Re: Alexandra's regiments
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2012, 07:04:07 PM »
Oops! the Life Guards lancers were in the 2nd GUARDS Cavalry division
In the book "The Foe within" has a Captain Pavel V Benson of the 5th Hussars as both a swindler and a german spy!
The Book "The End of the Imperial Russian army part 2" has the 5th Cavalry division of which the 5th hussar was a part. On 25 October (OS) 1917 it was at the 12th army headquarters at Valka with the 17th cavalry division and other units in a standoff with the pro-Bolo 2nd Latvian Brigade. Some of trops at Valka were sent to help Kerensky oppose the bolo's who had just seized power. On 5 November (OS) 1917 the Latvians took the town.

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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2012, 06:34:36 PM »
More on the 5th Aleksonariya Hussars formed 1784
saw combat in the napoleonic wars:
1807 battle of Eylau
1813 battles of Katzbach where the unit did well enough to that it was awarded a special badge on its shakos and lepzig where it also did well.
1814 battle of Brienne
and other battles that I am going to have to dig up more information on.
Crimean war: the 6 jan 1854 (NS) battle of Citate, in modern day Rumania
WW I:
August 1914: 9th army
Nov 1914: 2nd army Novikov cavalry corps later the I CC battle of Lodz
Feb 1915 12 army reserve
Oct 1915: 1st army Kazakov Cavalry corps
Jun 1916 North western front reserve

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Re: Alexandra's regiments
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2012, 04:33:15 AM »
This is Alexandra's tunic from her uniform as commander-in-chief of the 5th Aleksonariya Hussars:



Were the uniforms of the 5th Aleksonariya Hussars all black - that is, would the skirt she wore with the tunic have been black also?

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2012, 10:25:08 PM »
Yes the parade uniforms of Her Majesty Empress Alexandra Feodorovna’s 5th Alexandrinsky Hussars were all black, as shown on this 1910 official color plate :



Although I have never seen a photo of the Empress wearing her Hussar uniform, I’m sure her skirt was black.   
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Re: Alexandra's regiments
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2012, 06:36:27 AM »
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Although I have never seen a photo of the Empress wearing her Hussar uniform, I’m sure her skirt was black.   

Are there any photos of Alexandra wearing any uniform except that of her Lancers regiment?  I'm assuming that is the one shown in the many photographs you see around, for example:



I've certainly never seen her in the hussars uniform, nor I think of any of the others.  The headgear of the Siberian Rifles and the Crimean Horse were very different, as of course is that of the 5th Alexandrinsky Hussars, and the tunics of the former were darker and plainer.

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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2012, 11:11:11 AM »
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'Yes the parade uniforms of Her Majesty Empress Alexandra Feodorovna’s 5th Alexandrinsky Hussars were all black, as shown on this 1910 official color plate.'

The version on the left is the officers' parade dress, with blue trousers (probably dark blue), however. The other ranks' uniform on the right has black trousers. I say 'trousers, but they may be breeches or overalls.

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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2012, 04:27:45 PM »
Ann : I should have mentioned that the officers’ dress shown on the bottom left of the 1910 plate was split in 2 : left : grey-blue trousers (« reituzy » / « sharovary ») worn by all cavalry officers on service order (except Cossacks); right : black hussar breeches («  tchaktchiry ») with silver zigzag braid (for officers) worn for parade dress, etc. Lower ranks didn’t have « reituzy », only « tchaktchiry » with white piping. I might add that the 5th Hussars was the only regiment with all-black uniforms. In 1914 it also got a special distinction : a « skull & crossbones » headplate on their busby instead of the standard eagle plate. See this 1914 color plate :

    

Here’s a photo showing the full-dress uniform of an officer (on the left, the greatcoat & headdress of a general enrolled in another of Empress Alexandra’s regiments, Her Majesty’s Guards Lancers) :




CountessKate :
Yes you are right about the photos you’ve posted, it’s the Empress in her parade uniform of her Guards’ Lancers. These photos were taken in May 1903 for the regiment’s Jubilee. To my knowledge, she never wore it afterwards.

I haven’t seen any photos of her in any of her other Russian regiments either. She had many photos taken with groups of officers from her regiments at various occasions (her birthday, regimental holiday, etc.), but she’s always wearing a dress, as seen here, in a white dress, seated in a carriage, surrounded by the officers of her Alexandrinsky Hussars:



And here, with some officers of her Krimsky Horse Regiment :
 

Maybe there are photos of her in uniform hidden in archives, or she didn’t like to wear them and would only do it for a regimental jubilee (which happened only once a century!) It seems to have been the case for Empress Maria Feodorovna too.
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2012, 04:51:47 AM »
Ah, that explains it!

Alexandra does look quite spectacularly unhappy in that photograph on horseback. I have seen a similar one in the Brussels Military Museum (maybe the same one) and she looks thoroughly unhappy in that, too!

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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2012, 06:16:58 AM »
She looks uncomfortable.
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Re: Alexandra's regiments
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2012, 02:06:29 PM »
Do we know if she enjoyed horse riding?  Perhaps that is the reason for her discomfort...

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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2012, 02:36:30 AM »
Alexandra didn't like riding at all. Unlike Nicholas, who thoroughly enjoyed it. He, in turn, was unlike his father, who by all accounts hated riding and only got on a horse when he had to.

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Re: Alexandra's regiments
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2014, 06:59:30 PM »
Update the 21 Siberian Rifle Regiment, 6th Siberian Rifle Division was part of the V Siberian Corps which was attached to the following armies: Oct 14-Jan 15 1st army, Feb-Sep 15 2nd army, Sep 15 -Feb 16 4th army, Mar 16 12 army, Apr-May 16 6th army, Jun 16 8th army, Jul 16- Dec 17 11th army.

The Russian 6th army was involved in guarding the Petrograd region at this time of the war. I would guess that the V Siberian Corps may have been mauled in March 1916 attack in the 12th army's sector and it was sent to the rear for a rest ect. The V Siberian Corps was then sent South and was involved in heavy combat during the Brusilov offensive until the end of 1916.