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Topic: Did the IF already know Colonel Kobylisnky?  (Read 2518 times)
« on: July 08, 2012, 12:01:49 PM »
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I was reading about Colonel Kobylinsky both on russian page of Wikipedia and on "The last days of the R" (the part of his deposition)
I was surprised to learn that the Colonel during the war was 2 times injured and was nursed in the war hospital in Carskoe Selo. I wonder if we knew that he was ever nursed by Af or OT, or Tn during his stay. Do we have anyh hint that he had met the girls or the Empress BEFORE he was assigned to their guard after the Revolution?
I found it curious!
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« on: July 08, 2012, 03:31:15 PM »
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It's possible, I suppose.  If he did end up at their hospitals, he must have seen them.  Whether he actually spoke to any of them, your guess is as good as mine.
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« on: July 09, 2012, 06:42:53 AM »
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I was reading about Colonel Kobylinsky both on russian page of Wikipedia and on "The last days of the R" (the part of his deposition)
I was surprised to learn that the Colonel during the war was 2 times injured and was nursed in the war hospital in Carskoe Selo. I wonder if we knew that he was ever nursed by Af or OT, or Tn during his stay. Do we have anyh hint that he had met the girls or the Empress BEFORE he was assigned to their guard after the Revolution?
I found it curious!

It may depend on whether he was hospitalized in the "big" hospital in the Catherine Palace, or at one of the imperial family's smaller lazarets. AF/ON/TN did visit the big hospital fairly regularly, but I have the impression that they weren't as familiar with the patients there.
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« on: July 09, 2012, 04:22:13 PM »
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Fate of the Romanovs has him in the Life Guards Regiment. If they are right the IF may have met him pre-WW I. Then they could have met him in one of their hospitals. Of course, the meeting(s) could have been very brief.
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« on: July 09, 2012, 05:37:58 PM »
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From Mr. E. E. Alferieff, and from the Letters from Captivity:

Colonel E. S. Kobylinsky was an officer of the Petrograd Life-Guard Regiment. While serving at the front he was wounded, but upon recovering he returned to his post and was again wounded, suffering a severe concussion. He once again returned to the front, but as a consequence of his concussion, he was no longer fit for combat. The Empress and the elder Grand Duchesses met him in the Lianozov hospital, where he was then a patient.

The Lianozov Military Hospital was one of the best — huge sums being spent to maintain it. The hospital was housed in the luxurious summer residence of E. F. Lianozova, located on the Pavlovsk high road. Designed to accommodate sixteen patients, it was equipped according to the latest medical standards. M. G. Liven was the senior nurse, the junior nurse being C. M. Bitner, who later followed the Imperial family to Tobolsk. The Empress and the Grand Duchesses often visited all the military hospitals in Tsarskoe Selo, paying particular attention to the seriously wounded.

In a letter dated May 28, 1917, Empress Alexandra wrote to A. V. Syroboyarsky, a former patient in her hospital:

"...You are surprised that suddenly I write so openly, but this letter will not go by post, and then, too, I am less shy of our new commandant.  We used to visit him in the Lianozov hospital, we had our photograph taken together, so there is a completely different feeling with him — then, too, he is a true soldier. All the same I do not not envy him — his must be a very difficult position. But God will reward him for his every kindness; you see, once again God has helped. Nevertheless, we feel differently now that he is our superior and censor. Previously he, too, has suffered…"

As you know, C. M. Bitner later married E. S. Kobylinsky.
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« on: July 10, 2012, 03:34:26 AM »
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From Mr. E. E. Alferieff, and from the Letters from Captivity:

Colonel E. S. Kobylinsky was an officer of the Petrograd Life-Guard Regiment. While serving at the front he was wounded, but upon recovering he returned to his post and was again wounded, suffering a severe concussion. He once again returned to the front, but as a consequence of his concussion, he was no longer fit for combat. The Empress and the elder Grand Duchesses met him in the Lianozov hospital, where he was then a patient.

The Lianozov Military Hospital was one of the best — huge sums being spent to maintain it. The hospital was housed in the luxurious summer residence of E. F. Lianozova, located on the Pavlovsk high road. Designed to accommodate sixteen patients, it was equipped according to the latest medical standards. M. G. Liven was the senior nurse, the junior nurse being C. M. Bitner, who later followed the Imperial family to Tobolsk. The Empress and the Grand Duchesses often visited all the military hospitals in Tsarskoe Selo, paying particular attention to the seriously wounded.

In a letter dated May 28, 1917, Empress Alexandra wrote to A. V. Syroboyarsky, a former patient in her hospital:

"...You are surprised that suddenly I write so openly, but this letter will not go by post, and then, too, I am less shy of our new commandant.  We used to visit him in the Lianozov hospital, we had our photograph taken together, so there is a completely different feeling with him — then, too, he is a true soldier. All the same I do not not envy him — his must be a very difficult position. But God will reward him for his every kindness; you see, once again God has helped. Nevertheless, we feel differently now that he is our superior and censor. Previously he, too, has suffered…"

As you know, C. M. Bitner later married E. S. Kobylinsky.

This is incredibly interesting Inok Nikolai! How interesting. He already knew AF, OT and TN. And also K. Bitner - i guess they could already be in lovewhen they met again in Governor's House - this could explain why they got married just after the IF was sent to Ekaterinburg.

It may depend on whether he was hospitalized in the "big" hospital in the Catherine Palace, or at one of the imperial family's smaller lazarets. AF/ON/TN did visit the big hospital fairly regularly, but I have the impression that they weren't as familiar with the patients there.

In "The last days..." it was not explained which hospital, just that it was in Tsarskoe Selo - but Inok Nikolai explained everything.

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« on: July 11, 2012, 05:03:33 PM »
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In Mark's Russian military history there is a Life-Guards King Fredrich-William IIIs St petersburg Infantry regiment part of the 3rd Guards Infantry Division part of the XXIII corps 2nd Army at the start of the war. The division was at the battle of Tannenberg but was not encircled and destroyed like a good part of the 2nd army. I belive there are posts somewhere that Col. Kobylisnky did fight in the battles in Poland in the earli part of WW I. I hope this of some help.
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« on: July 22, 2012, 08:37:40 AM »
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This is incredibly interesting Inok Nikolai! How interesting. He already knew AF, OT and TN. And also K. Bitner - I guess they could already be in love when they met again in Governor's House - this could explain why they got married just after the IF was sent to Ekaterinburg.

A bit more information from the depositions that E. S. Kobylinsky and C. M. Bitner gave to Sokolov, the investigator, on Aug. 4, 1919:

Claudia Bitner related that even before she met the Empress and Grand Duchesses at the Lianozov hospital during the war, she was already known to them by report. Claudia Bitner was a teacher at the Tsarskoe Selo Gymnasia for eighteen years. One of her pupils was Sophia Shevyreva, the niece of Catherine Schneider. And it was Sophia who told the Grand Duchesses about Claudia Bitner.

After the Imperial family left for Tobolsk, Claudia Bitner went to Perm to see her mother. In her own words, she then traveled on to Tobolsk in order to see E. S. Kobylinsky, so it would seem that they were already fond of each other.
From Tiumen to Tobolsk Claudia Bitner happened to be on the same boat as the Provisional Government's commissar, Pankratov.
Having arrived in Tobolsk, Claudia Bitner walked by the Governor's House, where the Grand Duchesses recognized her and waved. Later she applied for a job teaching French at the local school. The Grand Duchesses learned about that from Dr. E. Botkin, and they asked that she be allowed to teach them too. So that is how she ended up getting permission to join the Imperial family.
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« on: July 24, 2012, 03:56:53 PM »
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I believe I have read somewhere that Nicholas and Alexandra spent quite a bit of their own personal fortunes on equiping the hospitals Alexandra sponsored. From what I have also read by late 1916 the medical system of the Russian army had improved greatly since the begining of the war. They had a vast network of hospitals, hospial trains, delousing stations, sanitary trains ect set up. One Russian general susposedly said the armys health was better than had been in peacetime.  On the dark side these locations were where liberal and radical groups distrubted their anti-goverment and anti-war propaganda pamphets and newspapers.
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