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Who was the  heir to Alfred, since his son died ? Was it the son of Arthur of Connaught . If so what imformation do people have on him?  If not, who was it.  Thanks F.

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When Alfred's son died, it was initially intended that Arthur's son would be the heir, but from what I understand, Arthur and his son were not very receptive to the idea, and perhaps QV wasn't either, since Arthur was reported to be her favorite son.  Leopold's son Charles was therefore selected as the new heir, and he and his mother moved to Germany so Charles could be groomed as heir.  As Karl Eduard, Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, he became tangled up with the Nazis, and his banner was removed from the stalls of St. George;s, Windsor.  An interesting note, however:  Charles' daughter Sybilla became the mother of the present King of Sweden, Carl XVI Gustaf.

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Who was the  heir to Alfred, since his son died ? Was it the son of Arthur of Connaught . If so what imformation do people have on him?  If not, who was it.  Thanks F.


After young Affie's suicide,  the next in line was the duke of Connaught, but both he and his son renounced their rights in favor of the next heir - Prince Charles Edward, Duke of Albany, the young son of the late Prince Leopold, and he was plucked from England and moved to Berlin to be educated as a German ...He succeeded Uncle Alfred in 1900 (the prince of Hohenlohen Langenburg, married to Affie's dtr Alexandra, acted as regent until Charles Edward, Carl Eduard,  reached his major age.)
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Karl Eduard's mother Helene, Duchess of Albany said she had raised her son to be a good Englishman and she must make him a goo German. :D

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One of the biggest frustrations of the old Duchess of Coburg (Maria Alexandrovna) was seeing Carl Eduard come into his Coburg inheritance after Duke Alfred had sacrificed and set the affairs (mainly financial) of the dual ducal throne in order.

Old Duke Ernst II had left a veritable financial wreck behind him at his death in 1893.  For seven years Alfred and his ministers set affairs in order, cleaned the duchies' mess and replenished their coffers...then Alfred Jr dies, something that was really expected as he had been in deteriorating helath for some time, mainly the result of venereal disease and its ravages, compounded by alcoholism.  Marie within a year or so witnessed the loss of her son and husband and the ducal thrones...she was not happy that after all their sacrifices someone else would reap the benefits...c'est la vie!

However, young Duke Carl Eduard was always highly respectful of his old aunt Marie and she continued t participate in official functions whenenver she was in town, which as the year's passed was less frequent, for after all she had several residences in and outside of Germany.

Carl Eduard was dethroned at the end of 1918.  He fared extremely well during the settlement negotiations with the German republic and his life of privilege continued almost unaffected.  In the late 1920's and early 1930's he was an enthusiastic supporter of this little movement that he thought offered such hope, National Socialism.  By the time the maniac overtook Germany, Carl Eduard and his former brother-in-law, August Wilhelm of Prussia, were convinced supporters of Hitler and full members of the Nazi Party.  Carl Eduard was responsible for giving Hitler legitimacy by publicly stating his support for Germany's new overlords, he was compensated with privileges, such as being able to award Coburg House Orders, retain full control of his property and leadership of the German Red Cross.

His demise was dreadful, such ignominy for a boy who was born with such great promise.  In fact, raised as a "good" Englishman, he ended striving his entire life to become a "good" German and thus fit in with his role as ruler of Coburg and Gotha.  He was a weakling, not the brightest light bulb in the store and a thoroughly sad man.  During his interrogation after 1945 he denied their had been a holocaust, to the horror of his wife, who was present during the interrogations.  Carl Eduard died in 1954 at the age of 70 years, wracked by cancer, his face disfigured, a son lost in the war, a daughter gone unconventional, another son married morganatically and yet his youngest son living abroad and completely uninterested in his Coburg inheritance.  Sad indeed.

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Arturo:  Thanks for the explaination.  I had always wondered what happened to him in the later years.
Didnt his sister Princess Alice go to the American authorities about giving him proper accommadations?

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Yes Princess Alice tried to get him better treatment and accommodations, but she failed in her efforts.  The douments proving this effort were kept secret until a few years ago.  I have copies of them now.

I have bene working on a family biography of the entire Coburg clan for the better part of the last nine years...I hoe to bring it to light in the future, but in the process I have found great things and met many Coburg descendants.

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Was Carl Edward's banner removed from Windsor after WW I during the Royal Family's "de-Germanification" or after his support of the Nazi's in WW II?

Did he lose his fortune and his position in Coburg?

It must have been difficult for Alice seeing her brother become the person he did, and then trying to help him get better treatment by the Allies.  She was also one of the members of the Royal Family to encourage reconciliation between the RF and the Duke Of Windsor,
which never happened.  She must have been an exceptional lady.

Didn't Arthur's son go to Charles Edward at the time of the death of Alfred, and threaten to beat the crap out of him if he didn't take the Coburg throne, as Arthur didn't want what was called "The Coburg Curse".  ?

Just curious

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Was Carl Edward's banner removed from Windsor after WW I during the Royal Family's "de-Germanification" or after his support of the Nazi's in WW II?

Did he lose his fortune and his position in Coburg?

It must have been difficult for Alice seeing her brother become the person he did, and then trying to help him get better treatment by the Allies.  She was also one of the members of the Royal Family to encourage reconciliation between the RF and the Duke Of Windsor,
which never happened.  She must have been an exceptional lady.

Didn't Arthur's son go to Charles Edward at the time of the death of Alfred, and threaten to beat the crap out of him if he didn't take the Coburg throne, as Arthur didn't want what was called "The Coburg Curse".  ?

Just curious


First...the Coburg curse is nothing but a legend...

Carl Eduard's fortune was decimated after the Second World War, not because he was a nazi, but because a large portion of it was in what became the DDR, remember that the "iron wall" was just a few miles out of Coburg and that Gotha, for example, was entirely overtaken by the Communist German state.

There were possessions in Austria, which the family retained, as well as possessions in and around Coburg.  The old Duke was devastated by it all and weakened by cancer, which eventually disfigured him as it ate up the right side of his face.  Add to this that one son had married morganatically and was out of the family, the second son was killed in the war (1943) - a war he did not care much to join, but had been forced to due to his own personal circumstances and the rejection these caused withiin the family circle - and the thrid son, and heir, was busy trying to build a life for himself in Latin America.  The Coburg affairs were in disarray for decades and it was not until the curent Head of House, Prince Andreas, assumed control in the 1970's that order was introduced to stop the chaos.

Today the family's fortune is restore to sanity, the family managed to get considerable compensation for lost possessions in the former DDR and a bright future is ahead...now we only nee dto get the Hereditary Prince married equally!   ;)

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Arturo, I realize the Charles Edward's position was difficult during & after WW II.  Did he lose his titles in England after the de-germanization of the Royals in
WW I or WW II?

Did he not march in George V's funeral in in Nazi uniform?  Did he support the 3rd Reich??

What was his relationship like with his sister Alice?

Thanks,

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Arturo, I realize the Charles Edward's position was difficult during & after WW II.  Did he lose his titles in England after the de-germanization of the Royals in
WW I or WW II?

Did he not march in George V's funeral in in Nazi uniform?  Did he support the 3rd Reich??

What was his relationship like with his sister Alice?

Thanks,

Michael



World War I   Carl Eduard lost his peerage and his British HRH - but not his title Prince of Great Britain and Ireland.  This was due to the fact he was a British prince by birth.  
He certainly was an open supporter of the Nazi Party, and his sister Alice was not happy about this.  See her memoirs and Theo Aronson's bio.  
There is also a good book in German by Harald Sandner about the Coburgs - and a bio in German on carl Eduard.
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Marlene, thank you.  Sometimes the information that is in certain books can be confusing.  

Will there ever be a reprint of your book on QV descendants?


Thanks,

Michael

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Could anyone please tell me the dates of (& anything else about) Amelie of S-C-G Kohary, daughter of Augustus & Clementine of Orleans?

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First...the Coburg curse is nothing but a legend...

Carl Eduard's fortune was decimated after the Second World War, not because he was a nazi, but because a large portion of it was in what became the DDR, remember that the "iron wall" was just a few miles out of Coburg and that Gotha, for example, was entirely overtaken by the Communist German state.

There were possessions in Austria, which the family retained, as well as possessions in and around Coburg.  The old Duke was devastated by it all and weakened by cancer, which eventually disfigured him as it ate up the right side of his face.  Add to this that one son had married morganatically and was out of the family, the second son was killed in the war (1943) - a war he did not care much to join, but had been forced to due to his own personal circumstances and the rejection these caused withiin the family circle - and the thrid son, and heir, was busy trying to build a life for himself in Latin America.  The Coburg affairs were in disarray for decades and it was not until the curent Head of House, Prince Andreas, assumed control in the 1970's that order was introduced to stop the chaos.

Today the family's fortune is restore to sanity, the family managed to get considerable compensation for lost possessions in the former DDR and a bright future is ahead...now we only nee dto get the Hereditary Prince married equally!   ;)

Arturo Beéche


Arturo, as always, ur post was very informative.
Can you post any information/brief bio on Princess Sybilla of Sweden? Or anyone else for that matter?
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Unfortunately not much has been written about Amalie of Saxe-Coburg (1848-1894) which is a great pity for I have always been interested about her. I am a great fan of her mother, princess Clémentine. I have posted the little I know about Amalie in the French Royals thread (p.2) in the "Windsor" section. Here is the link :

http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Windsor;action=display;num=1107184798;start=25