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Re: Carl Edward (Karl Eduard) Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Duke of Albany & family
« Reply #105 on: November 10, 2007, 05:53:55 PM »
Some about Calma's husband Max Schnirring:

Schnirring was born in Untertürkheim in 1895 and he got his pilot license at the age of 19 in July 1914.

He trained to pilot at FMF(Johannisthal), at least from 17 Feb 15 with the rank Bootsmannsmaat. Later on at 25 May 15 he received the Landfliegerabzeichen, now with the rank OberBootsmannsmaat. Apparently in late Sep 1915 he joined "new" Land Flieger Abteilung II in Flanders, but it seems that he was sent back to J-thal in Oct 1915. With the creation of Marine aviation ranks he become FlugOberMaat in Nov 1915.

On 9 Mar 16 he rejoined his unit in Flanders which now had been renamed to MFFA II...here he was promoted to Flugmeister on 20 May 16. He received the EKII on 10 Apr 16 and stayed in MFFA II until 8 Jan 17 when he was posted back to J-thal. He only stayed shortly here as he was posted to LFS Tondern on 20 Jan 17. He stayed at Tondern until 14 Jun 17 when he was posted to Land FlugStationen Schlüterhof (eastern front; outside the town Tukkum, and lies west of Riga). Meanwhile he had been promoted further to OberFlugmeister (pretty rare) on 29 May 17.

I dont knew how long he stayed at Schlüterhof, but sometimes during the later part of 1917 he had been transferred back to J-thal as flying instructor
It seems that he stayed rather long at J-thal as teacher, but on 7 Nov 18 he was posted further to Kampf Einsitzer Schule Langfuhr. Also, in WW1, he flew with Baron von Richtofen.

After the war, he went to work for the aviation industry, including as a Lufthansa pilot.  He flew with a radio operator and mechanic board in May 1938 with the float plane Arado Ar 95 V-3, marks D-ODGY, Warnemünde along the Baltic coast after Helsingfors in 3 hours and 50 minutes.
On 21.06.1938  with the mechanic Mr Bock in Arado Ar 79 a speed of 228.89 km / a World Record light aircraft.  On the same day, a new World record for singles in the Light aircraft category with a speed of 229.74 km with a Arado Ar 79

In 1939 Schnirring was in Quintero near Valparaiso, Chile and trained the native pilots on the nine Arado 95 that were bought by Chile. His daughter Calma was born there. Max was given the title "Capitän de Aviación de Chile". After that he worked as a pilot instructor in Brandenburg-Briest at the "Fluglehrerschule der Luftwaffe" and as a Testpilot for Arado in Brandenburg-Neuhof.

During his trials, he crashed flights from four times without much damage. On 06.Juli 1944 during a test flight from the Warnemünder Arado-Werk he crashed in a field near Parow. A day later, he died in hospital Stralsund.

 In 2007 his body was either buried in a war grave, or a memorial service held, at a war cemetery at the chapel of Parow with daughters Calma and Dagmar present.

(information courtesy of a forum on aeroplanes and other sites)





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Re: Carl Edward (Karl Eduard) Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Duke of Albany & family
« Reply #106 on: November 10, 2007, 06:08:50 PM »


Princess Caroline Mathilde of Saxe-Coburg, Countess of Castell-Rudenhausen, with her children Bertram (left), Conradin (right) and Victoria in 1935.
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Re: Carl Edward (Karl Eduard) Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Duke of Albany & family
« Reply #107 on: November 10, 2007, 11:04:19 PM »
5. Friedrich Josias, who was born in 1918, and if he is still alive is the head of the ducal house.  He married 1) Victoria-Luise, Countess of Solms-Baruth 2) Denyse von Murel

Friedrich Josias died in 1998.  His son, Andreas (born 1943 from FJ's first marriage) has been head of the family since that time. 

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Re: Carl Edward (Karl Eduard) Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Duke of Albany & family
« Reply #108 on: November 20, 2007, 09:22:28 PM »
How did Calma's life play out?  She was divorced from her third husband in 1949, and lived into the 80's.  Did she continue to make shoes?
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Re: Carl Edward (Karl Eduard) Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Duke of Albany & family
« Reply #109 on: November 28, 2007, 11:27:13 AM »
No -- that was a brief wartime job ... she had various issues - and problems (lived with another man), estranged from several children ...

How did Calma's life play out?  She was divorced from her third husband in 1949, and lived into the 80's.  Did she continue to make shoes?
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Re: Carl Edward (Karl Eduard) Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Duke of Albany & family
« Reply #110 on: December 02, 2007, 06:48:44 PM »
The information shown against Johann Leopold isn't quite correct.

It should read:

1. Johann Leopold (1906-1972), who married Baroness Feodora von der Horste (1905-1991).

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Carl Eduard, born Charles Edward, Duke of Albany & Prince of Great Britain & Ireland has a thread of his own in the Windsors.  I'm interested in his wife and children:
He married Princess Viktoria-Adelheid of Schleswig-Holstein-Glueksburg (1885-1970) and they had 5 children:

1. Johann Leopold (1906-1943), who married Baroness Feodora von der Horste (1905-1972)
2. Sibylla (1908-1972) married Gustav Adolf, Hereditary Prince of Sweden (1906-1947)
3. Hubertus (1909-1943)
4. Caroline Matilde "Calma" married three times: 1st to Count Friedrich of Castell-Rüdenhausen (1906-1940), 2nd to Captain Max Schnirring (1895-1944) & 3rd to Karl Andrée
  (1912-1984).  Arturo Beéche mentioned that Carl Eduard had a daughter that had "gone unconventional" on the Windsor thread, I'm assuming he means Calma.
5. Friedrich Josias, who was born in 1918, and if he is still alive is the head of the ducal house.  He married 1) Victoria-Luise, Countess of Solms-Baruth 2) Denyse von Murel

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Re: Carl Edward (Karl Eduard) Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Duke of Albany & family
« Reply #111 on: December 10, 2007, 10:23:11 PM »
This from JSR on the British Royal Message board:

"Charles Edward's maternal grand daughter Victoria...was born a Countess zu Castell-Rudenhausen. [Her mother was CE's daughter Calma.]Her father, the Count, was killed whilst flying with the German Air force over Dorset during World war II (Victoria's parents were divorced by this time).Victoria married the Englishman Miles Huntington-Whiteley at St James's Palace. Miles is a grandson of Stanley Baldwin, the British Prime Minister at the time of the 1936 Abdication Crisis. "
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Anyone know the details of the case Princess Marianne brought against her father in 1962? Did this finally exclude the Coburgs from German society as I believe he was employed in South America?

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In German Gotha terms Marianne prinzessin von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha was a nobody...whatever she fought against her father for had no bearing on Coburg standing among German aristocratic families.

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Just one or two pictures. Sibylla at the time of her engagement to Prince Gustaf Adolf of Sweden:


A later photograph of her:


With her daughter Birgitta:

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In German Gotha terms Marianne prinzessin von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha was a nobody...whatever she fought against her father for had no bearing on Coburg standing among German aristocratic families.

Arturo Beéche
Thats a very strange thing to say. Please explain.

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If any forum members get to Stockholm, there is a fabulous portrait of Princess Sybilla in the main Royal Palace state apartments. It is a real gem. The same room has portraits of her son Carl XVI Gustav and Queen Silvia as well as King Gustav VI Adolf and his two wives Queen Louise and Crown Princess Margaret. The Royal Palace is fabulous with a great section on the Swedish Royal Orders also including collections of foreign orders on display given to Swedish monarchs. The shields of Knights of the Order of the Seraphim are on display there. The other Museums in the Palace are also wonderful including the one that contains the Royal Swedish Regalia. The Changing of the Guards in the main courtyard is also fabulous.

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I always think it is very sad that Princess Sybilla did not live long enough to see her son become King and also to witness his marriage and the birth of his children. It would have all made her very happy.

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In German Gotha terms Marianne prinzessin von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha was a nobody...whatever she fought against her father for had no bearing on Coburg standing among German aristocratic families.

Arturo Beéche
Thats a very strange thing to say. Please explain.

Strange...?

Why would the problems of a daughter of a morganatic descendant of the last Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha have ANYTHING to do with the ducal family's standing among the German conglomerate of former ruling houses and aristocratic families?

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That made sense... :D