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Offline Maria Sisi

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Re: Richard III remains found & identified
« Reply #195 on: July 31, 2014, 01:06:09 PM »
So they tried to wipe out or cover over the contributions of Philippa and other Ricardians in the center, wow that's rude.

I really wonder why they did that. My first thought was that for some reason they didn't want to be associated with the Richard III Society and then they just wanted to take all the credit for themselves. Either way it is rude and if they didn't wanted to be associated with them they should have done their research in a different matter.

Yes the armor recreation does look like a Star Wars storm trooper but I guess it was bound to look like that when they made it in plastic. I'm not sure people would be saying Star Wars if it was in metal or something else.

What does the Richard statue in Middleham look like?

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Re: Richard III remains found & identified
« Reply #196 on: July 31, 2014, 03:06:43 PM »
Hi Maria Sisi, if you scroll back to post 198 ( its on the previous page), you will see a pic of the statue at Middleham kindly posted by Carisbrooke.
 As for your other question.... £££££s or if you would rather..$$$$$ and kudos I guess. But that is only my opinion.
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Re: Richard III remains found & identified
« Reply #197 on: August 05, 2014, 06:05:18 AM »
Hi Janet

My original point was in answer to a post suggesting Richard's northern connections were due to his father's title which of course is not the case.
My other point probably badly expressed is that as a northerner (in fact I live in York) I dislike that the arguement has become a typical north v south exercise.
I find it a bit pointless and negative to be honest and I have no desire to claim Richard as either a northerner/southerner or midlander.
He was an English-man with a strong connection to the north due to a mixture of family connections and where he was based in service to his brother.
Use of a modern phrase such as "born and bred" is simply not applicable for most nobles or royals of the period as they led peripatetic lives and we do not know much about their childhood and infancy.
His parents as you point out had strong northern connections - his mother was probably largely based at Raby during her infancy - but given her parents considerable wealth would have moved around from great castle to great castle throughout her childhood.
His father Richard Duke of York - certainly spent a great deal of his youth in Yorkshire but it is arguable whether he was based at Raby given his guardianship was not awarded to Neville (who had his wardship) and his guardian was based largely in what is now West Yorkshire and he opted to make his principal homes and residences in areas closer to the bulk of his landholdings or where he was needed in service to the crown.

I just dislike because it isn't based on anything other than guess work attributing personal feelings to individuals long-dead particularly given the sparcity of evidence and whilst your response was factual many of the arguements about this issue have devolved into doing just that.
Absolutely he spent much of his adult life in the area and York was the largest civic and religious centre of the area at that period - but the language of grants, favours and patronage that survive use the effusive language of the period which hardly give an indication of someone's real feelings.
I admit showing particular favour to a city or area may well be a sign of affection as you say but it is also a sign of exercising patronage for strategic political purpose especially given the area's previous loyalties.

Richard may well have considered himself "at home" in an area he spent much of his adult life in and seems to have gained local respect in an area without a strong record of support for the House of York but whilst that explains the regard some in the north have for him even today it doesn't give any indication of where he would have wanted himself laid to rest.

No-one disputes Richard is largely seen as a "northern" King but equally I don't think that is a justification for arguing he should not have been reinterred in Leicester close to where he fell.
He buried his wife in Westminster Abbey for example and we don't know where he buried his son though he died at Middleham.
His plans for York Minster are on a par with other endowments he planned elsewhere (specifically at Barnard Castle and at Middleham) so I don't think you can take that as any indication of his personal desires for his own burial.

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Re: Richard III remains found & identified
« Reply #198 on: August 07, 2014, 08:49:16 AM »
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Re: Richard III remains found & identified
« Reply #199 on: August 19, 2014, 12:18:58 PM »
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So they tried to wipe out or cover over the contributions of Philippa and other Ricardians in the center, wow that's rude.

I've just been to the centre and they do not wipe out or cover over the contributions of Philippa Langley at all - they acknowledge in several places that she was crucial to the dig and she in fact has a section of the exhibition to herself where there's actually a recording of her voice.  They don't particularly go to town over the Ricardians' contribution but they don't downplay or hide it either.  Frankly, I thought it was better without the strong agenda demonstrated in Annette Carson's blog, and although there were some things I didn't particularly care for, the 'projected image of the king’s remains lying in his grave' was in fact sensitively done and was one of the highlights. 

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Re: Richard III remains found & identified
« Reply #200 on: August 20, 2014, 01:17:39 PM »
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So they tried to wipe out or cover over the contributions of Philippa and other Ricardians in the center, wow that's rude.

I've just been to the centre and they do not wipe out or cover over the contributions of Philippa Langley at all - they acknowledge in several places that she was crucial to the dig and she in fact has a section of the exhibition to herself where there's actually a recording of her voice.  They don't particularly go to town over the Ricardians' contribution but they don't downplay or hide it either.  Frankly, I thought it was better without the strong agenda demonstrated in Annette Carson's blog, and although there were some things I didn't particularly care for, the 'projected image of the king’s remains lying in his grave' was in fact sensitively done and was one of the highlights. 

Well that's good to know. It's only natural that the people in charge of the center wouldn't want the "strong agenda" that the Ricardians planned for and want things more centered and unbiased.

I'm glad it appears that you had a good time at the center and the 'projected image' does sound amazing to see.

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Re: Richard III remains found & identified
« Reply #201 on: September 08, 2014, 12:53:15 PM »
Here is the planned itinerary for the reburial in 2015.
Sunday March 22nd.
King Richard III will leave Leicester university for Bosworth. Returning to Leicester, he will be received at the cathedral by the Archbishop of Westminster.
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, 23rd, 24th and 25th March he will lie in repose.
Thursday March 26th, Richard will be re - interred in the presence of the Archbishop of Canterbury. Channel 4 will be televising the service live.
Friday March 27th, the revealing of the sealed tomb.
Saturday March 28th. The area around the tomb will be open to the public.
Cheers. Kimx
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Re: Richard III remains found & identified
« Reply #202 on: April 15, 2015, 07:16:30 PM »
Hopefully, this will help the image of this much maligned King. 

As I said, I think most base their opinions on Richard III because of the Shakespeare play, not the actual man himself. 
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