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Re: The Grimaldi's of Monaco Part II
« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2014, 11:59:38 AM »
Well, it's being reported that Charlene was safely delivered of a boy and girl this afternoon. They were born by Caesarian Section. Many congrats to them.
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Re: The Grimaldi's of Monaco Part II
« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2014, 01:09:55 PM »
royalcentral.co.uk is reporting the following:

"The twins were delivered via caesarean section are called Prince Jacques Honoré Rainier and Princess Gabriella Thérèse Marie. Though Gabriella is 2 minutes older, her brother Jacques is the new heir of Monaco, as the principality follows the rule of primogeniture."

It goes on and says, "The twins are the first of the Grimaldi line since the 13th century, and are now 2nd and 3rd in line to the throne. Jacque will be given the title of Marquis, as is tradition, and his title is Marquis of Baux. Gabriella is Countess of Carladès."

You can see the entire article here: http://royalcentral.co.uk/foreignroyals/princess-charlene-of-monaco-gives-birth-to-heir-41415

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Re: The Grimaldi's of Monaco Part II
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2014, 01:20:07 PM »
Though Gabriella is 2 minutes older, her brother Jacques is the new heir of Monaco, as the principality follows the rule of primogeniture."
....the rule of male / agnatic primogeniture, surely!
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Re: The Grimaldi's of Monaco Part II
« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2014, 02:10:07 PM »
Их Светлейшие Высочества
Жак-Оноре-Ренье, наследный принц Монако, маркиз де Бо
Габриэлла-Тереза-Мария, принцесса Монако, графиня де Карладез
Берёзы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

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Re: The Grimaldi's of Monaco Part II
« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2014, 04:15:18 PM »
Их Светлейшие Высочества
Жак-Оноре-Ренье, наследный принц Монако, маркиз де Бо
Габриэлла-Тереза-Мария, принцесса Монако, графиня де Карладез

Pardon ?
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Re: The Grimaldi's of Monaco Part II
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2014, 04:24:08 PM »
Их Светлейшие Высочества
Жак-Оноре-Ренье, наследный принц Монако, маркиз де Бо
Габриэлла-Тереза-Мария, принцесса Монако, графиня де Карладез

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Their Serene Highnesses
Jacques-Honoré-Rainier, Hereditary Prince of Monaco, Marquis des Baux
Gabriella-Thérèse-Marie, Princess of Monaco, Comtesse de Carladès
Берёзы севера мне милы,—
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Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и берёзы», 1843 / 1856)

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Re: The Grimaldi's of Monaco Part II
« Reply #51 on: December 11, 2014, 02:33:36 AM »
Aaaah, thank you.
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Re: The Grimaldi's of Monaco Part II
« Reply #53 on: December 12, 2014, 09:08:30 AM »
How exciting, congratulations to Charlene and Albert!!

Are there any special meanings behind the names (besides the Rainier part)?

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Re: The Grimaldi's of Monaco Part II
« Reply #54 on: December 12, 2014, 10:25:06 AM »
Are there any special meanings behind the names (besides the Rainier part)?

Jacques is probably in honour of Jacques I of Monaco, the first Prince of the Goyon-Matignon dynasty (which ruled before the current Polignac dynasty). His son was Honoré III, so there have been several (five actually) princes called Honoré. And of course Grace Kelly's father John Kelly was nicknamed Jack!

Gabriella is perhaps in honour of Duchesse Gabrielle de Polignac, famous friend of Marie-Antoinette and a direct ancestress of Prince Albert II through his Polignac paternal grandfather.

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Как речь безмолвная могилы,
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Re: The Grimaldi's of Monaco Part II
« Reply #55 on: December 12, 2014, 05:20:23 PM »
So there's quite a connection to all the names, interesting.

Stephanie is currently the Countess of Polignac I believe so perhaps it is possible for what you said

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Re: The Grimaldi's of Monaco Part II
« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2014, 04:50:28 PM »
Stephanie is currently the Countess of Polignac I believe so perhaps it is possible for what you said

Well, unlike her nephew and niece, who are styled Jacques, marquis des Baux and Gabriella, comtesse de Carladès, indicating holders of unique (courtesy) titles (the titles are really held by their father), Stéphanie is not the Countess of Polignac, as she is just an agnatic descendant of a junior line of the Dukes of Polignac. Her 3 x great grandfather, comte Melchior de Polignac, was a younger son of the 1st Duke of Polignac, the husband of Marie-Antoinette's favourite. He was an émigré who died in Russia. (Catherine the Great granted him an estate in Ukraina.)

If she hadn't already been princesse Stéphanie de Monaco (and not Stéphanie, princesse de Monaco), comtesse de Polignac, she would have been comtesse Stéphanie de Polignac, according to the French custom of déclinaison des tîtres.
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Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

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Re: The Grimaldi's of Monaco Part II
« Reply #57 on: December 13, 2014, 05:46:13 PM »
Interestingly the twins are descendants of King Edward IV of England on both Albert's and Charlene's side! See http://geneanjou.blog.lemonde.fr/2014/12/10/double-naissance-princiere-a-monaco/ I wonder if that also means that the little Marquis des Baux is a descendant of the medieval Seigneurs des Baux on both sides too? Another interesting titbit for Romanov fans: The last of the original, medieval House of Baux was Alix, Dame des Baux (1367 -1426), the last great aristocrat / royal to be called Alix before Alix of Hesse.
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Как речь безмолвная могилы,
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Re: The Grimaldi's of Monaco Part II
« Reply #59 on: May 25, 2015, 10:50:36 AM »
The twins were christened on May 10 ( on their five months 's day  ) . They are adorable !