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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2009, 02:45:45 PM »
She survived, and was health later. She had husband, they weren't close, often not together, since he lived at Crimea, and was there often. Of course, Anna V. often accompanied with IF on their trips, and by the way, had a link to Rasputin and told to Tsarina what is happening around him. 
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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2009, 09:57:46 AM »
Wow, sweet Alix...

Well, she also called her "cow" sometimes.

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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2009, 10:37:24 AM »
Wow, sweet Alix...

Well, she also called her "cow" sometimes.

LOL That's quite funny. :D :D

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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2009, 03:44:20 PM »
I have heard it too, but I don't know if she was joking to Ana V. or not? Probably Anna thought it was a joke.
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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2009, 04:52:28 PM »
I don't think Alexandra ever called Anya "the cow" to her face. As far as I know the empress only used that nickname for Vyrubova in letters or conversations with NOTMAA. Seems like it was a private family joke. ;-)
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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2009, 07:53:55 PM »

Aloha all!

Wasn't Anna's marriage annulled?  I know that she was actually "married" a very short time in terms of being with her husband - and when she was examined during the Revolution she was declared a "virgin".

I've always thought that chapter in her life was very sad - she obviously had little or no interest in him nor he in her.  All of her devotion and love was given over to the Imperial Family.

I've always been a "softie" when it came to Anna V. - while she may have been immature and selfish sometimes - I truly think she loved the IF and remained devoted to them for life.

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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2009, 07:57:04 PM »
I don't think she was unhappy after divorce, since she hadn't much interest in him. And yes, after she became very unhappy, after 1917., I mean.
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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2009, 04:23:42 AM »
Was she fixed-married then with her husband? I suppose she was.

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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2009, 09:08:34 AM »
Was she fixed-married then with her husband? I suppose she was.

If I recall correctly, the empress played a role in bringing Anna and her husband together, perhaps encouraging the match. Some have speculated that a sense of guilt over Anna's unhappy marriage may have motivated Alexandra to befriend Anna after the union dissolved.
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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2009, 12:05:18 PM »
It is quite possible. Always was interested in Anna - Alexandra's relationship.
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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2009, 03:30:32 AM »
Was she fixed-married then with her husband? I suppose she was.

If I recall correctly, the empress played a role in bringing Anna and her husband together, perhaps encouraging the match. Some have speculated that a sense of guilt over Anna's unhappy marriage may have motivated Alexandra to befriend Anna after the union dissolved.

Thanks for this, Sarah. When did she marry, btw?

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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2009, 05:35:44 AM »
Anna married Alexander Vasilievich Vyrubov, a naval officer, even though she was warned by Rasputin that the marriage would be an unhappy one.[2] The couple eventually divorced.

From Wiki, and I read it in Rasputin's File. I guess during her stay at Court.
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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2009, 05:37:11 PM »
Was she fixed-married then with her husband? I suppose she was.

If I recall correctly, the empress played a role in bringing Anna and her husband together, perhaps encouraging the match. Some have speculated that a sense of guilt over Anna's unhappy marriage may have motivated Alexandra to befriend Anna after the union dissolved.

I suspect we have the same sources in mind for this thought but I would put it a little more strongly, that is, that the empress really wanted AV to marry this man. We know of the failure of this marriage now, of course, but my understanding is that a lot of the problems with it (with AV and AT) were known or reasonably to be expected at the time the wedding took place. Anya was quite young and no one would say she was very mature. Alexander Taneev was possibly not thought a great catch. I don't know about his looks but there were possible issues with bisexuality and  a not great constitution. He eventually ended up spending more time , if not money, in gambling than with AV.
Thus, the Prov. Gov't inquiry that identified Anya's virginity may have been right about this.
Clearly not a matchmaking success  for Alexandra and she may well have felt some guilt or at least responsibility for Anya thereafter.
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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2009, 08:18:48 PM »

Anya was quite young and no one would say she was very mature.

According to her own memoirs, Anya was married in 1907, making her 23 years old. That is not 'quite young', in fact, it was a little past prime age for brides in those days.

I don't feel guilt over the bad marriage led Alexandra to befriend her; they had already been close for a few years, beginning with Anya's near death from a fever in 1903. She was officially presented to court in 1905.

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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2009, 12:02:39 PM »
I don't think Alexandra ever called Anya "the cow" to her face. As far as I know the empress only used that nickname for Vyrubova in letters or conversations with NOTMAA. Seems like it was a private family joke. ;-)

According to Radzinski Alexandra was jealous of Anna, and because of that called her "cow".