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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2009, 01:19:15 PM »
I don't think Alexandra ever called Anya "the cow" to her face. As far as I know the empress only used that nickname for Vyrubova in letters or conversations with NOTMAA. Seems like it was a private family joke. ;-)

According to Radzinski Alexandra was jealous of Anna, and because of that called her "cow".

In La Fin des Romanovs, the author confirms this and used some quotes from Alix's letters to Nicky from 1914 and later... Apparently, Alix thought that Nicky was cheating on her with Anna V... The author thinks that's maybe because of her nervous nature that Alix wrote such things.
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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2009, 04:56:38 PM »
LOL Are you serios?! :o I've never heard about that. :o

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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2009, 07:27:06 PM »
Wow, good information! I've just heard about those right here.
Oo...yes. I see some of Anna V.'s pictures with Nicky and I can say that they both are so close like friends only.
It's not really true. If Alexandra got that jealous anyway, she may have sent Anna away from her family, right? 

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« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2009, 08:20:29 PM »
In La Fin des Romanovs, the author confirms this and used some quotes from Alix's letters to Nicky from 1914 and later... Apparently, Alix thought that Nicky was cheating on her with Anna V... The author thinks that's maybe because of her nervous nature that Alix wrote such things.

I've never read anything that suggested Alexandra believed Nicholas had any sort of romantic feelings for Anya. The empress was sometimes annoyed with what we today would call Anya's infatuation with the tsar, but as far as I know Nicholas never gave Alexandra any reason to be suspicious of his fidelity. In fact, in a few of her wartime letters Alexandra basically asks Nicholas to humor Anya -- apparently Anya could be even more irritating when she didn't get enough attention from her imperial friends.


According to Radzinski Alexandra was jealous of Anna, and because of that called her "cow".

I disagree with many of Radzinsky's opinions regarding Vyrubova. Is that in The Last Tsar?
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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2009, 09:27:31 PM »
Yes, that's in the Last Tsar.

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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2009, 02:40:52 AM »
But in Rasputin's File E. Razdinsky's opinion about A. V is not very nice, but I don't know what to think -- she indeed was a link between Tsarina and that man.
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« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2009, 03:26:42 AM »
In La Fin des Romanovs, the author confirms this and used some quotes from Alix's letters to Nicky from 1914 and later... Apparently, Alix thought that Nicky was cheating on her with Anna V... The author thinks that's maybe because of her nervous nature that Alix wrote such things.

I've never read anything that suggested Alexandra believed Nicholas had any sort of romantic feelings for Anya. The empress was sometimes annoyed with what we today would call Anya's infatuation with the tsar, but as far as I know Nicholas never gave Alexandra any reason to be suspicious of his fidelity. In fact, in a few of her wartime letters Alexandra basically asks Nicholas to humor Anya -- apparently Anya could be even more irritating when she didn't get enough attention from her imperial friends.


According to Radzinski Alexandra was jealous of Anna, and because of that called her "cow".

I disagree with many of Radzinsky's opinions regarding Vyrubova. Is that in The Last Tsar?

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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2009, 07:11:24 AM »
In La Fin des Romanovs, the author confirms this and used some quotes from Alix's letters to Nicky from 1914 and later... Apparently, Alix thought that Nicky was cheating on her with Anna V... The author thinks that's maybe because of her nervous nature that Alix wrote such things.

I've never read anything that suggested Alexandra believed Nicholas had any sort of romantic feelings for Anya. The empress was sometimes annoyed with what we today would call Anya's infatuation with the tsar, but as far as I know Nicholas never gave Alexandra any reason to be suspicious of his fidelity. In fact, in a few of her wartime letters Alexandra basically asks Nicholas to humor Anya -- apparently Anya could be even more irritating when she didn't get enough attention from her imperial friends.


I shall translated the quotes soon. But the author says that either it was a 'game' between Nicky and Alix or that was Alix's nerves which made her moody.
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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2009, 07:43:16 AM »
I shall translated the quotes soon. 

If they are from the wartime letters, I have those in English. If you tell me the dates I can type them up and save you some work.


But the author says that either it was a 'game' between Nicky and Alix or that was Alix's nerves which made her moody.

I could agree with the idea that it was a sort of game between the imperial couple.
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« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2009, 08:02:57 AM »
Defintely. Radzonsky writes of it as if it were reality though, to my best recollection. Of course, he isn't always accurate. It struck me as inaccurate when I first read the Last Tsar which was a very long time ago now, but after all this time,I still distinctly remember that part of the book.

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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2009, 08:17:48 AM »
Sarushka, I don't have any precise dates about those letters, it is only said that they are from 1914 and later...
Here are some quotes. I first put them in French this way if any French speaker thinks I did a mistake in the translation, this person could tell me. :)

"Que personne n'ose dire "tu m'appartiens"! Tu es à moi, tout à moi, pas à elle..."
"That no one dares to say "you belong to me"! You're mine, all mine, not hers..."

"Si nous ne tenons pas bon tous les deux, nous aurons encore des scènes et des scandales, comme en Crimée."
"If  both of us don't hold fast, we'll get scenes and scandals again, as it happened in Crimea."

"Tu verras que dès notre retour elle te dira combien terriblement elle a souffert de ton absence..."
"You'll see that once we return she'll tell you how dreadfully she suffered from you absence."

"Chéri, tu brûles ses lettres pour qu'elles ne tombent jamais dans d'autres mains?"
"Darling, you burn her letters for them not to be discovered by anyone else?"
[translated in a more accurate way to  French it should be: "Darling, you burn her letters for them not to fall in any other hands?" But it quite means the same thing. :) ]

Sorry, it is roughly translated... But it may remind you something, Sarushka?
As you can notice, Alix never directly meant Ania but Pierre Lorrain thinks that's her. So does Radzinsky (sp?) if I remember well.
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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2009, 03:38:53 PM »
Oh yes, Siham. Those authors should have not said that those letters of Alix were for Anna. It's something regarded as misinformation.

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« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2009, 03:52:41 PM »
I agree with Radzinsky and Lorrain that Alexandra is referring to Vyrubova in these letters. However, I don't think they prove that Alexandra was suspicious of a romantic relationship between Nicholas and Vyrubova. Instead, I think they show Alexandra's occasional exasperation with Anna's dramatic scenes, and also that Alexandra realized Anna's letters to the tsar could be misinterpreted if other people read them.
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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2009, 04:10:11 PM »
However, I don't think they prove that Alexandra was suspicious of a romantic relationship between Nicholas and Vyrubova.

Neither does Lorrain. That's why he brings the theory of a game between the couple.
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Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2009, 07:19:56 PM »
aahh. So that's what it is. I'm sleared out againThak you Sarushka and Siham.
Are there any available letters of Ania to Nicky such that? 

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