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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2005, 10:43:29 PM »
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ya ya ya Alexei may of bein a pain as a LITTLE kid, but when he became older he was a very kind young man! and even as  a LITTLE kid he has pritty good manners!
And Dashkova, you said i should consentrate or watever on my English! um ya i came to Canada from Russia only 2 years ago! and i think i'm pritty good at speaking and writing in English for someone who's only been in an English speaking environment for only 2 years!


The bloody nose bit was not a one-time thing.  He *got off* on being mean because he knew he could get away with it.  That's not normal, regular, and frankly, it's trashy.

Read less romanov, practice more English.

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2005, 10:55:00 PM »
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o and can smeone explain the bloody nose story? i didn't realy read that one yet!

(and all u ppl like Darth Olga and Dashkova please stop saying: "stop asking such easy questions or wat ever) i am younger than probably all of you, and joined this site to learn about the Romanov! All of you have probably been reading up on them for years but i just started a couple of weeks ago!


Alexei was known to have greeted people who bowed to him by punching them in the face, therefore giving them a bloody nose.

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2005, 10:57:18 PM »
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ok then i can see u need to read up on the Romanovs too! I read most of my information on them in Russian, so its kindof hard translating it all to English! and i am still a little kid and just turned 13 a couple of weeks ago, so i think i'm doing pritty good with my education! ;)


Oh my...we have a tiny little troll here.  How DROLL.
AND...look, it's backpedaling! Why might that be?

Little troll, please understand that there are quite a few people who post on this board who were studying the romanovs DECADES before you were born.  And guess what? In English AND Russian! Wow!

I could put you in a corner quite easily, but you are not worth my time.  I do not think you will have such good fortune with some others here, so I hope you have a thick skin.

Now, what about that publishing info on the "diary"?  No need to translate, let's see it!  You surely can transliterate, right?

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2005, 11:19:10 PM »
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ok Dashkova were you trying to speak French there? "DROLL" ya it meens funny but hmmm thats NOT how you spell it! its Drole!


Little troll, in the English language it is spelled "droll" and it doesn't precisely mean what you seem to think it does, at least in modern English usage.  Sorry to disappoint, but you're quite wrong about this. You will find the correct English spelling and definition in your English dictionary, ok?

You're so ridiculous you're funny.  You have very limited experience with a language I've spoken fluently (and written in professionally) for more than four decades and yet you're going to tell me I've spelled something wrong.  What a piece of work you are!

You now need to find someone else to play with, so spokone noche.
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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2005, 05:14:52 AM »
Sasha, you seem to have a lot of sense for someone your age. Molodyets!

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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2005, 05:16:17 AM »
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God u seem so Dumb!


AlexeiLVR, can you be anything except exceedingly rude?
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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2005, 07:00:57 AM »
Alexei is a kind of friend to me because I have read a lot about him and I have seen videos and fotos since he was just born. I have seen him in the pictures sad, happy, in pain.... and videos of him running,playing with his dog and even being notil.
I have read parts of his diaries and letters so sometimes its like if you knew him.
I think he was a normal boy who suffered a lot and its true he had a bad behavior sometimes but if you see some kids misbehavior today you can try to imagine what that kids would do if they were kind of God for some people like Alexei was. I have read Pierre Gilliard memoirs and it says one day Alexei´s car was surrounded by people who juist because they touched Alexei were happy.

I just think its a mistake consider The Romanov like saints, I think thet just were normal people who made good and bad things like everybody do in life.
So Alexei was not perfect but I think he had a lot of good things too.

I have a page about him where I give my vision of him:
http://www.geocities.com/alexeitsarevich

PS Please excuseme about my English I am from Spain.

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2005, 07:06:51 AM »
Don't worry Frankie, your English is very good. If you need help, talk to Antonio Callaber; he is Spanish.

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2005, 07:31:11 AM »
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WOW Dashkova your old! your WAY older then any of my parents! :o


Why thank you for such useful, *important* information! I feel so LUCKY!

Sorry all of your parents neglect you so badly! It really shows!

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2005, 09:35:40 AM »
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I am 15 years old.
 


Alex,

I have to tell you that for a 15-year-old you are amazingly well spoken and intellectual (especially compared to some others your age or even much older than you)! Keep up the good work  ;)

Helen

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2005, 10:18:22 AM »
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Alexei is a kind of friend to me because I have read a lot about him and I have seen videos and fotos since he was just born. I have seen him in the pictures sad, happy, in pain.... and videos of him running,playing with his dog and even being notil.
I have read parts of his diaries and letters so sometimes its like if you knew him.
I think he was a normal boy who suffered a lot and its true he had a bad behavior sometimes but if you see some kids misbehavior today you can try to imagine what that kids would do if they were kind of God for some people like Alexei was. I have read Pierre Gilliard memoirs and it says one day Alexei´s car was surrounded by people who juist because they touched Alexei were happy.

I just think its a mistake consider The Romanov like saints, I think thet just were normal people who made good and bad things like everybody do in life.
So Alexei was not perfect but I think he had a lot of good things too.

I have a page about him where I give my vision of him:
http://www.geocities.com/alexeitsarevich

PS Please excuseme about my English I am from Spain.


Can't saints be just normal people too? (By the way, your English is very good! :)

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2005, 10:21:37 AM »
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Can't saints be just normal people too?
1. How many saints do you know personally?  ;)
2. Define "normal"  :D.

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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2005, 10:27:51 AM »
I don't know how many saints I know personally on earth...I should imagine quite a few, judging by the many very good people I have met (& even heard from on this site!) but since I can't read people's souls.... :) (In heaven I 'know' a few...but that's just my belief. ;))
By 'normal' I was refering to what Frankie wrote about the Romanovs being just normal. I believe that when (or 'if' in my case!)  we get to heaven we will discover so many people we have just seen having everyday lives, who have become saints & we didn't recognize them. ;)

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2005, 10:35:36 AM »
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He was known to greet people by delivering to them a bloody nose. He thought this was funny. These are not things normal little boys, no matter how rambunctious, do.  I raised one myself, more than a handful, but cruelty just because you know you can get away with it, is plain SICK.


One anecdote by a woman named Catherine Frolova quoted in the controversial volume 'The Fate of the Romanovs' does not warrant calling a boy 'sick'.  It seems Mr. King and Ms. Wilson were not so quick to quote the more complimentary excerpts of Eugenie de Grece's book!  I won't even go into Princess Catherine Radziwill and the axe she ground.  One also might bear in mind Robert Massie's observation that after the Spala episode that brought Alexei Nikolaevich so near death,  the Tsarevich became much more thoughtful and considerate of other people.  

      I would be more inclined to trust those who knew Alexei very well for anecdotal material about him.  More than one of those who came into contact with the boy on a regular basis has described him as patient and well behaved -- particularly as he grew older.   Try reading from the memoirs of Klaudia Bitner, Fr. George Shavelsky and Eugene Kobylinsky and then tell me what kind of a boy the Tsarevich turned out to be in the end.   I'm going to believe the best about Alexei, and every account of his good behavior.

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2005, 10:46:42 AM »
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One anecdote by a woman named Catherine Frolova quoted in the controversial volume 'The Fate of the Romanovs' does not warrant calling a boy 'sick'.  It seems Mr. King and Ms. Wilson were not so quick to quote the more complimentary excerpts of Eugenie de Grece's book!  I won't even go into Princess Catherine Radziwill and the axe she ground.  One also might bear in mind Robert Massie's observation that after the Spala episode that brought Alexei Nikolaevich so near death,  the Tsarevich became much more thoughtful and considerate of other people.  

       I would be more inclined to trust those who knew Alexei very well for anecdotal material about him.  More than one of those who came into contact with the boy on a regular basis has described him as patient and well behaved -- particularly as he grew older.   Try reading from the memoirs of Klaudia Bitner, Fr. George Shavelsky and Eugene Kobylinsky and then tell me what kind of a boy the Tsarevich turned out to be in the end.   I'm going to believe the best about Alexei, and every account of his good behavior.


Oh please, give it a rest...for every "axe to grind" tale teller there are sychophants (some of the people you listed) who would say whatever they think would keep them in good graces. Nobody knows for certain what sort of boy Alexei was in the end, and the bloody nose incident was not the only one recorded, not to mention his poor behavior with regard to school work and at the dining table (also repeatedly witnessed and recorded).

Alexei certainly had a rough go of it and really crappy parenting -- none of this was his fault.  But those two factors made for the development of a rude and even callous at times personality.  This is well-documented and so those who paint him as a sweet, angel, perfect child enjoy a fantasy life.  On a personal level, fine, whatever floats your boat, but it is not historically responsible.