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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #90 on: January 19, 2005, 10:54:59 AM »
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AlexeiLVR, I care what you think.  Don't ever be afraid to share your views.  I certainly hope that you will be allowed that in the future without downright nasty adults blowing your head off (figuratively of course ;)).


I agree :)

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #91 on: January 19, 2005, 10:57:39 AM »
It sounds like we all have many different definitions of a "saint" really means, and this is where all the confusion is coming from! Sounds like the term "saint" means different things to different people....

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« Reply #92 on: January 19, 2005, 05:54:12 PM »
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I like to add more if it ok? :-/

Well to me Saints are angels.


I don't want to make this go off topic again, but if nobody minds, can I ask - respectfully - what you mean, Mandie? I don't really understand.

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #93 on: January 19, 2005, 07:23:01 PM »
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I'm a Roman Catholic,.. but I have other beliefs also. I NEVER heard That A Russian Tsarevitch is a saint. sorry to say but no......not in the Roman Catholic Church...

But I did heard of St. Anastasia of Rome...

this might should stupid but I also believe in the Greek/ Romans gods!!!


I was added something to this! I know I didn't "quote"  earlier because i was busy..............I was saying I wanted to add something " To me ( in my fath of being a RC) I think Saints are angels,..I well remove the other one.

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #94 on: January 19, 2005, 07:30:26 PM »
In the Orthodox Church Alexei and the IF are Saints - in the Greek Orthodox Church, the Japanese Orthodox Church etc etc. Of course in the Roman Catholic Church they aren't - since the Roman Church's separation from the Orthodox Church in 1054 any new Saints in the RC Church are not in the Orthodox list of Saints.

Mandie - Anastasia of Rome was GD Anastasia's patron Saint (who she was named after - I don't know about the RC Church, but in the Orthodox Church we are all named after Saints who are our patrons and we ask for their prayers on our behalf. We also celebrate our Name Day (the day of the Saint we are named for) which is actually a more important day for us than our birthday.)

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« Reply #95 on: January 20, 2005, 03:17:48 AM »
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I was added something to this! I know I didn't "quote"  earlier because i was busy..............I was saying I wanted to add something " To me ( in my fath of being a RC) I think Saints are angels,..I well remove the other one.

- Marina Feodorevna a.k.a Mandie


Mandie, I'm not criticising your beliefs at all, but it isn't true that in the R.C. faith saints are angels. Some angels are styled saints (Sts. Michael, Raphael, Gabriel) but the angels 'were always with God' whereas saints were humans who lived ordingary lives on earth.  :)
The reason we won't canonize the IF is because the Pope only canonizes Catholics (Shame, really, but what can you do?)

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #96 on: January 20, 2005, 07:46:23 AM »
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The reason we won't canonize the IF is because the Pope only canonizes Catholics (Shame, really, but what can you do?)
 don't they also have to provide some sort of proof to the Vatican that these guys were saints, i.e. proof of some miracle performed by them when alive and proof of uncorrupted remains, or something like that? I may be getting this all wrong, but if I remember correctly something like this is involved for RC canonization?

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« Reply #97 on: January 20, 2005, 08:56:25 AM »
It's avery long process. They don't have to have performed miracles when alive, or have uncorrupt remains, but after their death a miracle is usually sought as 'proof' of their sanctity. A 'devil's advocate' is appointed to find out all the nitty-gritty details of their lives & find reasons why they should NOT be declared saints. Some excellent people have been refused on these grounds. A person is first declared Venerable, then the process starts again & they MAY become BLESSED & only eventually (after years sometimes...and vast amounts of money) they may be declared a saint. In many ways IMO (& I am a practising Catholic) it is all very corrupt. Some people are declared saints because their organizations or religious orders can afford to pay loads of money to sustain the process...Others are refused on political grounds (e.g. Oscar Romero of El Salvador) but that's the way it is.

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #98 on: January 20, 2005, 09:28:54 AM »
So it all comes down to politics - even with the sainthood!    

In any case, if these are the criteria for RCC then there is no chance the IF will ever become RC saints.  

Well, you can't win 'em all, I always say... :D ;)  .
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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #99 on: January 20, 2005, 09:02:11 PM »
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Mandie, I'm not criticising your beliefs at all, but it isn't true that in the R.C. faith saints are angels. Some angels are styled saints (Sts. Michael, Raphael, Gabriel) but the angels 'were always with God' whereas saints were humans who lived ordingary lives on earth.  :)
The reason we won't canonize the IF is because the Pope only canonizes Catholics (Shame, really, but what can you do?)


Ok,....I didn't say " you criticisng my beliefs": No not at all,..I was just add something. ;) :) I hope I was not being rude? :-[  sorry.

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #100 on: January 21, 2005, 03:53:16 AM »
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Ok,....I didn't say " you criticisng my beliefs": No not at all,..I was just add something. ;) :) I hope I was not being rude? :-[  sorry.


Oh, Mandie  :), no I certainly wasn't thinking you were being rude...I did not want you to think that I was!  ;)
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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #102 on: January 21, 2005, 08:55:35 PM »
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K well today i took out 5 books about the Romanovs! And one of them is calles Nicolas and Alexandra The famile albums! is that the book people are talking about, or is it a diffrent one?


That book is awesome!!!! You'll love the pictures. Enjoy, AlexeiLVR.  :)

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #103 on: January 21, 2005, 09:40:27 PM »
Yeah, thats my second favorite book!!! (first is Love Power and Tragedy)
enjoy it!!

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Re: What and Who is Alexei to you?
« Reply #104 on: January 21, 2005, 09:54:00 PM »
Hello Vera,

I have "Nicholas And Alexandra:  The Family Albums" by Prince Micheal of Greece, and I love it.  It has some rare pictures of the Family.   Enjoy it!  The other book that has Nicholas and Alexandra in the title is "Nicholas And Alexandra" by Robert K. Massie.  That book has a lot of information and is a great book if you want to read if you want to get information and not just pictures.  

I hope you enjoy your the books  ;D  
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