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Offline sunbeam

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Current location of Alexei's remains?
« on: July 01, 2013, 02:28:12 PM »
The discovery of Alexei's remains is already discussed on a different thread, but I wanted to start a new topic and ask: does anyone know the current location of Alexei's remains?
Thanks in advance.
I'm really progressing on my series of poems about Alexei btw and may come on here more frequently to find out facts and trivia about his life.
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Re: Current location of Alexei's remains?
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2013, 03:23:28 PM »
The remains of the Tsarevitch and Grand Duchess Maria were last reported as having been in boxes in the National Archives in Moscow.

"Viktor Aksyuchits, a ... politician who led the government commission that identified and buried the remains discovered in 1991, says this completely undermines the exhibition. "On the one hand, it's a big deal that the state archives decided to hold this exhibition. On the other hand, we're still waiting for the government to make a decision about burying the others. The remains of Alexei and Maria are still lying in a box somewhere in the State Archives," he said by telephone."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303962304577508570717420772.html

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Re: Current location of Alexei's remains?
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2013, 05:30:29 PM »
The remains of the Tsarevitch and Grand Duchess Maria were last reported as having been in boxes in the National Archives in Moscow.

"Viktor Aksyuchits, a ... politician who led the government commission that identified and buried the remains discovered in 1991, says this completely undermines the exhibition. "On the one hand, it's a big deal that the state archives decided to hold this exhibition. On the other hand, we're still waiting for the government to make a decision about burying the others. The remains of Alexei and Maria are still lying in a box somewhere in the State Archives," he said by telephone."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303962304577508570717420772.html


Would it be asking too much of the Russian government that it treat the remains of two members of its former ruling family  carefully and with respect? The answer appears to be yes.
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Re: Current location of Alexei's remains?
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2013, 07:06:48 AM »
Thank you, NickNicholson for your reply.
Let's hope a proper burial will be granted soon. Why they have not yet been put to rest with their next of kin is beyond me.
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Re: Current location of Alexei's remains?
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2013, 08:52:32 AM »
P.S.: It appears the Russian Orthodox Church is a factor here, according to the WSJ article NickNicholson quoted from, the Church does not acknowledge that the remains are those of the IF and without Church approval a burial will be unlikely :(
This is just so upsetting....  :'(
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Re: Current location of Alexei's remains?
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2013, 12:56:50 PM »
Hi Sunbeam,  there is a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding concerning the Russian Orthodox Church and their position on the remains. 

The process for burying laypeople in the Orthodox Church, versus the process of the glorification of the relics of saints is very different, and is interconnected.  While the official position of the ROC is that they are not satisfied that the remains are authentic, this is a smoke screen for the larger issues; 1.  The family was not complete until the discovery of the remains of Maria and Alexis  2.  The family had already been glorified by the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia. 3.  The family had only been buried as laypeople.  4. ROCOR and MosPat had not been reunited.  If the ROC announces that the remains are authentic, they will be in direct violation of all the canons of the Orthodox Church by allowing the remains of saints to lie buried in a layperson's grave.

With the signing of the act of Canonical communion between ROCOR and MosPat, we have eliminated two of those isssues.  Now that the family is complete, we have eliminated another reason. 

I am certain that the Patriarchate looks at interment in the Peter & Paul Fortress as a temporary stopgap measure.  I believe that we will see in the coming years a reversal from the Patriarchate, and the announcement of a plan to reunite the remains of the family in one location.  They will be reburied with a pannakhida, but then there will be a ceremony of "The Uncovering of the Relics" and subsequent glorification of the remains, which will then probably be moved to a) The Cathedral on Spilled Blood in Ekaterinburg on the site of the martyrdom, b) Ganina Yama, the place of the burial where a series of expiatory churches have been erected, or c) the newly restored Feodorovsky Cathedral at Tsarskoye Selo, which the family built, and which they regarded as their family church.  (Guess which one I'm praying for?)  Best,  Nick

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Re: Current location of Alexei's remains?
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2013, 11:30:29 AM »
Thanks for this.
The idea alone is a very moving one. Though it's still so sad his remains are not officially buried.
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Re: Current location of Alexei's remains?
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2013, 11:56:27 AM »
Sunbeam, I'm with you.  Lord Have Mercy.

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Re: Current location of Alexei's remains?
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2018, 04:08:57 PM »
Can't believe Alexei and his sister were not given an official burial in time for the 100th anniversary!

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Re: Current location of Alexei's remains?
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2018, 04:04:35 AM »
I must say globally, I am dissatisfied with the commemoration of the imperial family.

There were some nice things to do, but there was plenty to do, especially in St. Petersburg.