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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2013, 05:13:28 PM »
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How many people do you know of have a grandparent who is over a century older then they?

Depends on how late in life they married and had kids.  My paternal grandfather was born in 1878.  He was 48 when my father was born (1926) and 88 when I came along (1966).  He died in 1973.

However, since we know that Tatiana did not survive the murders, anything this woman says is pure bunk.  Seems reality is a foreign concept to these people.  They can't claim to be OTMAA anymore, too much time has passed.  So now they claim to be the grandchildren or great-grandchildren of OTMAA.

I love how she says she's going to Russia to "take the throne".  Someone should tell this lady that there is NO throne in Russia, and hasn't been since 1917.  So even if she were a Romanov, which she most certainly is not, she would be wasting her time.  However, as I said, reality and these people are strangers to one another.
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2013, 05:10:51 AM »
Tim your blood line is similar to mine.  My great grandmother was 41 when she had my grandfather and when I came along she was 84 lol.     But yeah when I read that comment on a video I thought, is this serious? 
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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2013, 12:02:35 PM »
Yeah, I've always found it kind of cool that my paternal grandfather had clear memories of Queen Victoria (both my paternal grandparents were born in Britain) and was still alive when Neil Armstrong set foot on the Moon.
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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2013, 05:12:01 AM »
Yeah, I've always found it kind of cool that my paternal grandfather had clear memories of Queen Victoria (both my paternal grandparents were born in Britain) and was still alive when Neil Armstrong set foot on the Moon.

That's quite incredible!

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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2013, 09:45:48 AM »
Yeah, I've always found it kind of cool that my paternal grandfather had clear memories of Queen Victoria (both my paternal grandparents were born in Britain) and was still alive when Neil Armstrong set foot on the Moon.

At the risk of sliding us off topic. I've always wondered, lets say you were fortunate to live to 100, what would be the ultimate time frame to where you could have seen the most change and innovations?

Tim, similar to your grandfather, living from roughly 1870-1970 would have been pretty amazing. You would have lived your childhood pre-automobile but then lived long enough to see men in spaceships land on the moon. The cultural change, depending on what part of the world you were from, would have been pretty amazing too. Victorian-era, industrial revolution, the 20s, Jazz Age, two World War's, Rock 'n' Roll, the counter-culture, etc. You'd have lived through it all!

I feel like society continue to push forward until roughly the 1970s. Things started slowing down a bit then. In other words, while there are always some measure of technologic innovation and social development I don't feel as though anything revolutionary (aside from perhaps music) happened in the 70s. Most of what fascinates us about that decade is really a continuation or offshoot from the far more revolutionary 60s.

By the time the 80s rolled around computers starting playing a larger and larger role in society and the 90s were a major decade for tech and economic (if not cultural) breakthroughs. I must say the 2010s so far are about as bland as can be. Faster and small cell phones and what else? lol. But a life from 1900-2000 would have been pretty amazing also.
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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2013, 10:55:19 AM »
My maternal grandmother lived from 1912 to 2006.  Last year, on the centennial of her birth, I wrote the following.

On July 8, 1912, my maternal grandmother, whom I was very close to, Patty Nicol, was born. She died in 2006 at the age of 94. On this, the centennial of her birth, I thought I would write this little article.

When my Grandma was born, the telephone was less than fifty years old. There were no radios, no television sets, no PC's or Macs, no Internet, and no cell phones. My Grandma saw them all appear in her lifetime.

When my Grandma was born, cars were still coming into common usage. A lot of people still used horses and buggies to get around. My Grandma saw them give way to the automobile.

When my Grandma was born, there were no man made object orbiting the Earth. Men in space belonged to the writings of H.G. Wells and Jules Verne. My Grandma saw science fiction become reality.

When my Grandma was born, only nine years had passed since the Wright Brothers flew their first plane. My Grandma saw the arrival of modern air travel.

When my Grandma was born, the British, German, Russian, and Austrian Empires still existed. Only a few years would pass before three of those empires would fall, and later, the fourth would evolve into a commonwealth. My Grandma saw both World Wars that altered our world (she was in the WAC in World War II).

When my Grandma was born, Canada was still a British colony, the U.S. only had only 48 states (some having only become states that same year she was born). In her lifetime, Canada became an independent country and the U.S. got the 50 states it has now.

Amazing how much the world changed in my Grandma's lifetime.
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2013, 05:03:59 PM »
Very nice Tim.

I'm fortunate to have a grandmother still around. She'll be 98 in December. Mind boggling to think she could have lived through so much. She was alive when there was still a Russian Empire, and long outlived the Soviet Union. Too bad the effects of dementia have taken hold of her over the past few years. Up through her 90th birthday, around the time your grandmother passed away, she was still very cognizant of the world around her.
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2013, 05:28:40 PM »
That's a shame your grandmother has lost so much of her memories.  Like mine, she lived through all the major events of the 20th Century.
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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2013, 05:39:11 PM »
At the risk of sliding us off topic. I've always wondered, lets say you were fortunate to live to 100, what would be the ultimate time frame to where you could have seen the most change and innovations?

I do agree that living through the 20th century would have exposed you to more drastic material changes, but in terms of world view I think living 1820-1920 would have exposed you to greater changes. You would have been born into a quasi medieval, pre-industrial society and your parents, grandparents etc. would have experienced (and told you about) life before the French (and American) Revolution, when property and privilege mattered more than human life. You would have lived though tremendous political reforms and when you died, you could foresee the triumph of democracy and the welfare state in the West (thanks to WW1 and the threat of Socialism) and believe that the "dictatorship of the proletariat" had triumphed in Russia.

Figurately speaking, you would have seen the lofty Enlightenment ideas of your parents' and grandparents' generations carried out practically, when humble folks with the right to vote would use electric light to read newspapers, books etc. after work in order to educate themselves on public affairs and let their voice be heard, instead of the oral culture of your childhood, when ignorant subjects sat around the fire telling fairytales and stories of kings and queens and had no say or interest in politics beyond their own little village world.

It's interesting to consider that if you lived in the US (in states without slavery), you could live through this change in mentality as early as 1700-1800. In Russia you would have to wait and live 1900-2000.
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2013, 03:51:14 PM »
Found this nut job on facebook today! claims to be the granddaughter of Tatiana and that she (her name is Alexandra) is returning to Russia to take the throne. She posted on one of the pictures that Tatiana lived because she wasn't even there that night.

https://www.facebook.com/russian.monarchy

Is this my misunderstanding or the "Empress of Russia" isn't happy enough with the Russian Imperial Crown and is also claiming to have "rights" for the British Crown??? (see Sepetmber 20th post).
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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2013, 04:12:08 PM »
At the risk of sliding us off topic. I've always wondered, lets say you were fortunate to live to 100, what would be the ultimate time frame to where you could have seen the most change and innovations?

I do agree that living through the 20th century would have exposed you to more drastic material changes, but in terms of world view I think living 1820-1920 would have exposed you to greater changes. You would have been born into a quasi medieval, pre-industrial society and your parents, grandparents etc. would have experienced (and told you about) life before the French (and American) Revolution, when property and privilege mattered more than human life. You would have lived though tremendous political reforms and when you died, you could foresee the triumph of democracy and the welfare state in the West (thanks to WW1 and the threat of Socialism) and believe that the "dictatorship of the proletariat" had triumphed in Russia.

Figurately speaking, you would have seen the lofty Enlightenment ideas of your parents' and grandparents' generations carried out practically, when humble folks with the right to vote would use electric light to read newspapers, books etc. after work in order to educate themselves on public affairs and let their voice be heard, instead of the oral culture of your childhood, when ignorant subjects sat around the fire telling fairytales and stories of kings and queens and had no say or interest in politics beyond their own little village world.

It's interesting to consider that if you lived in the US (in states without slavery), you could live through this change in mentality as early as 1700-1800. In Russia you would have to wait and live 1900-2000.

1820-1920 would of course be fascinating. So many incredible innovations in technology. Transportation alone went from the horse and buggy, to the train, then automobiles, and then air travel. From an American standpoint I think it's obvious that 1770-1870 would be the most interesting in terms of changing politics. You'd have been six years old and witness to revolution and the birth of the republic, and lived long enough to see the Civil War and end of slavery & succession. In between you would have seen a nation develop culturally and politically from its agrarian colonial roots, to one of an industrial capitalist power.

Still it's impossible to beat the 20th century in terms of popular culture and shifting attitudes. From the birth of film industry, to jazz and rock and roll. Radio, television, computers and internet. From automobiles and spaceships. From Kitty Hawk to the Moon and everything in between!
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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2013, 04:14:36 PM »
Found this nut job on facebook today! claims to be the granddaughter of Tatiana and that she (her name is Alexandra) is returning to Russia to take the throne. She posted on one of the pictures that Tatiana lived because she wasn't even there that night.

https://www.facebook.com/russian.monarchy

Is this my misunderstanding or the "Empress of Russia" isn't happy enough with the Russian Imperial Crown and is also claiming to have "rights" for the British Crown??? (see Sepetmber 20th post).

Yelena I see someone actually contested her claim. How nice :-) I'm tempted to post a comment or two myself but I keep getting reminded of what my grandfather used to tell me..."Don't argue with an idiot, you may not know the difference".
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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2013, 07:15:12 PM »
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How many people do you know of have a grandparent who is over a century older then they?



I love how she says she's going to Russia to "take the throne".  Someone should tell this lady that there is NO throne in Russia, and hasn't been since 1917.  So even if she were a Romanov, which she most certainly is not, she would be wasting her time.  However, as I said, reality and these people are strangers to one another.

Tim, you may find this part of this article on Wiki of interest.  Here is a quote:  "After the Soviet Union broke apart in the early 1990s, Leningrad reverted to its original name of Saint Petersburg, and a private delegation visited Ilyinsky while he served on Palm Beach City Council to ask him to return to Russia to claim the throne as tsar. Ilyinsky said, "Gentlemen, I could not be more pleased and flattered at your invitation, but I must tell you that I am entirely satisfied with my present occupation."

Ilyinsky died at his home in Palm Beach, Florida, in February 2004.[2]"   
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ilyinsky

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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2013, 07:20:05 PM »
...and he was the only son of Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich.

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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2013, 10:51:34 AM »
Interesting. 

Anyway, no matter what any nutcase says, they can't be a claimant.  We all know that.
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