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Re: Ipatiev House destruction pictures
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2013, 07:13:01 AM »
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Sverdlovsk / Ekaterinburg was a military supply and manufacturing city and, thus, closed to foreigners and even most ordinary Soviet citizens; there were no tourists.

That was the area that Francis Gary Powers was flying over in the U-2 when the Russians shot him down in 1960.

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Re: Ipatiev House destruction pictures
« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2013, 12:13:30 PM »
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V. Borisov was perhaps the last photographer to visit the Ipatiev House.
He photographed it inside and out on the day before it was torn down.

Some of his photos from that day have appeared in various books, such as Taina Tsarskikh Ostankov (“The Mystery of the Royal Remains”), Ekaterinburg 1994.
One photo shows the dining room with the furniture all removed, the fireplace and mantel gone, but the ceiling moulding and light fixture still in place.

Several of those photos are also to be found in I. F. Plotnikov’s Pravda istorii: Gibel tsarskoi semi (“The True History of the Destruction of the Imperial Family”), Ekaterinburg, 2003.

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For what it’s worth, Oleg Platonov writes in his book Zagovor Tsareubitits, “Conspiracy of the Regicides” (Moscow, 1996, pp. 490-91), that the initiative for razing the Ipatiev House had come from Boris Yeltsin himself and the other Communist Party bosses there in Ekaterinburg at the time, and not from the Politburo itself in Moscow, as Yeltsin later claimed. (Platonov supposedly received that information from former staff members of the Sverdlovsk regional Committee of the Communist Party.)

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Mr. Avdonin, the man who found the burial place of the Imperial family, told us that some local figures in Ekaterinburg had indeed protested the proposed destruction of the Ipatiev House, but to no avail.
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Re: Ipatiev House destruction pictures
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2013, 07:58:42 AM »
Ironically it was Boris Yeltsin that was in charge of the area at the time it was torn down. 

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Re: Ipatiev House destruction pictures
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2013, 04:55:49 AM »
Yes Boris Yeltsin.
The last title of the house was "Department of the Chelyabinsk branch of the Institute of Culture and Training Center of Culture Sverdlovsk region" before that it had been Revolution Museum , Anti-religion Atheist Museum and Agricultural department office.

Here is quote from Vasily Gudkov - Chairman Sverdlosk Executive committee at the time. I hope it understands in English.


Since the onset of our country "era of transparency" still there is talk of demolishing the mansion engineer Ipatiev. Many times I have told reporters about the details of the case, but each time they present all their own way. Created a fourth film on the subject, however, and there are my information is incomplete, one-sided.

Resolution of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Leonid Brezhnev signed, the demolition of the house, in the basement of which in 1918 was shot the royal family, came to the Sverdlovsk Regional Party Committee at the time when the first secretary of the regional committee was Yakov Ryabov. I then worked as chairman of the City Council. Ryabov wrote on the resolution resolution: to introduce four people, including me.

After reading the document, I met up with James Petrovich and told him that I can not, I have no right to order the demolition of the building. And asked that this decision was made ​​Executive Committee. I said, no, this ruling will not be enough that you acquainted with the party document.

What else can I say? I began to think how to do, in fact, an order. It should be noted that neither my deputies, nor the architects of the city did not support the decision of the Politburo. And then erupted in protest public opinion. All of our papers, and then the "Soviet Russia" opposed the demolition of the Ipatiev House. Under the pressure of this house have declared an architectural monument of the Russian scale. I'm frankly glad this turn: maybe after that in Moscow abandon their idea. Meanwhile Ryabov elected secretary of the Central Committee of the party, he goes to the capital, and the first secretary of the regional committee shall elect Yeltsin. I think I got a new manager, it will not upload such a problem.

But it turned out that I was wrong. Yeltsin received a call from the CC, why not raze the Ipatiev house? Boris calls me to her: "Are you familiar with the decision of the Politburo?" Yes, I say, is familiar. But how can I endure this house if public opinion against the "Ural worker", "Evening Sverdlovsk," even the Central Committee of the Communist Party newspaper "Soviet Russia" against. I can not go against all. Turn all in the right direction.

Rotate, of course, did not. Using the mode of party discipline, commanded reporters, and everyone fell silent. Yeltsin told me: "You see, now, no one squeaks." - "But there is another question - I answer. - Ipatiev House - a monument of Russian values. I have no right to allow its demolition. If that happens, I will serve as the court and could be imprisoned for willful violation of the law. " Boris agreed, saying, "I'm glad you asked this question, I'll try to solve it."

He immediately called Solomentsev. It turned out that he was, although he was a candidate member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the ruling did not know, apparently, at the time of its adoption at a meeting of the Politburo was not present. Boris advises the Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the RSFSR, "You'll sort things out in your home, so we did not break the law."

This conversation took place in the evening. In the morning I go to the city council, and there I lay on the table a resolution the Council of Ministers of Russia: Ipatiev house in Sverdlovsk excluded from the monuments of Russian values. Well, I say to myself, now you have all the ends are cut off, do not refer to that. Yeltsin called: "So, Boris, we will take down?" Reply was short: "Always."

It turned out that neither I nor he witnessed the destruction of the building. We have been planning the next vacation. Before leaving, I was summoned by the chief architect of the city Gennady Ivanovich Belyankina and instructed him zafotografirovat mansion. Perhaps the time will come when you want to restore, and all will need the original pictures.

Time, as we see, it is, but the building did not rise from the ashes, and the place was erected the Church on the Blood.


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Re: Ipatiev House destruction pictures
« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2013, 05:10:44 AM »
I have not seen any photos of interior of house taken after 1919 , but I think it would be surprising if there were none taken during time of 1919 - 1975 . House was used as Museums for many years - surely someone take photos of museum displays inside ??
There is a set of photos taken by US Red Cross & Allied Intervention Force officers in 1918 like these :

Czech General Gajda officers inside :



Dining Rooom




and outside :





And this one - Yakov Yurovsky in house in late 1919 when he returned to Ekaterinburg to hold Bolshevik meetings there.


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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2013, 06:18:32 AM »
I think the church is a better place to remember than if the house still stood, it would be to morbid I feel.
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Re: Ipatiev House destruction pictures
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2013, 12:58:22 PM »
"Woodsy"

Thank you for the more detailed account.

Would you be able to cite the Russian source, or give a link to it?

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« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2013, 01:59:46 PM »
I think it is a good thing it is gone. Although it might have cleared up a few points, it was always going to be a grisly place. Personally, I wouldn't have even attracted attention to it by building a church, I think just a decent memorial would have been better. But, that's just me.

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Re: Ipatiev House destruction pictures
« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2013, 04:19:28 PM »
1)
V. Borisov was perhaps the last photographer to visit the Ipatiev House.
He photographed it inside and out on the day before it was torn down.

Some of his photos from that day have appeared in various books, such as Taina Tsarskikh Ostankov (“The Mystery of the Royal Remains”), Ekaterinburg 1994.
One photo shows the dining room with the furniture all removed, the fireplace and mantel gone, but the ceiling molding and light fixture still in place.

Several of those photos are also to be found in I. F. Plotnikov’s Pravda istorii: Gibel tsarskoi semi (“The True History of the Destruction of the Imperial Family”), Ekaterinburg, 2003.
Thank you for the heads up on Taina Tsarskikh Ostankov. I do have this book, and found a few more photos that V. Borisov took.
(sorry for the quality, I didn't scan these, just grabbed shots with my camera. Click for bigger images:)



Woody3697> I agree with you. I am surprised there are not more shots taken after 1919 to 1975. Although the ones you have shared are all new to me, including the one of Yurovsky.  Great shots! Do you have them in a high resolution too? Thank you for the account! Very interesting. That's the first time I've read that kind of detail.

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Re: Ipatiev House destruction pictures
« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2013, 06:21:13 PM »
Thank you for the heads up on Taina Tsarskikh Ostankov. I do have this book, and found a few more photos that V. Borisov took.
(sorry for the quality, I didn't scan these, just grabbed shots with my camera. Click for bigger images:)


Woody3697> I agree with you. I am surprised there are not more shots taken after 1919 to 1975. Although the ones you have shared are all new to me, including the one of Yurovsky.  Great shots! Do you have them in a high resolution too? Thank you for the account! Very interesting. That's the first time I've read that kind of detail.

I've seen that photo of the door before.  Seems to me that there was a caption with it stating that this was part of the door at the rear of the murder room where OTMA were standing.  I seem to remember that there are several bullet holes in this door.   Is my memory deceiving me.   Can someone verify this?  
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Re: Ipatiev House destruction pictures
« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2013, 08:32:24 PM »
I've seen that photo of the door before.  Seems to me that there was a caption with it stating that this was part of the door at the rear of the murder room where OTMA were standing.  I seem to remember that there are several bullet holes in this door.   Is my memory deceiving me.   Can someone verify this?  

I have that same impression, but the Russian caption in this particular book doesn't specify those details. I probably saw it first in an English-language source. I'll keep my eyes open for it when I'm browsing my collection...
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« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2013, 10:28:46 PM »
The only reason I wish the house still existed would be that modern forensics or potentiall future forensics examinations of certain rooms may have provided additional information regarding the Imperial Family's last days.

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« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2013, 04:24:28 AM »
I do not have better quality photos - sorry.

Here is the Boris Yeltsin link in Russian :

http://ural-yeltsin.ru/events/konferencii/document3832/

And here is video of Ipatiev house taken by American Paul Rainey in 1918 for those interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOa2tFi8QPs&

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« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2013, 08:38:01 AM »
Thank you very much Woody for these interesting photos,
and the film-link.

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« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2013, 06:39:17 PM »
I do not have better quality photos - sorry.

Here is the Boris Yeltsin link in Russian :

http://ural-yeltsin.ru/events/konferencii/document3832/

And here is video of Ipatiev house taken by American Paul Rainey in 1918 for those interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOa2tFi8QPs&

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EXCELLENT! Thank you so much for those links. Brilliant!
You have some fabulous resources Woody3697!