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Re: King Alexander I & Aspasia Manos
« Reply #195 on: November 11, 2012, 01:05:15 PM »
I also found some interesting notes about Aspasia's Russian ancestry...

Her ancestor Katerina Obreshkova, who married Prince Ioannis Soutzo ( Greek Minister Plenipotentiary to St. Peterburg ) , son of Michail Soutzo, reigning Prince of Molavia ( 1818-1821 ), was daughter of Dmitri Obreshkov ( 1790-1864 ) and Countess Natalia Sheremeteva ( 1795-1868 )...

Countess Natalia Sheremeteva is in turn descendant of most prominent families such as Galitzine, Obolensky, Apraksin...Through her Princess Aspasia is descendant of Roman the "Great", Grand Duke of Kiev ( 1160-1205 ) who is descendant of Emperor Constantine IX of Byzantium, King Harold II of England, King Inge Stenkilsson of Sweden, many Holy Roman Emperors such as Konrad II , Heinrich III, Heinrich IV, Counts of Savoy and so on...

Hope this was not tiring too much,but it came as a surprise to me as I didn't know that she had Russian ancestry...

A little correction. Natalia Sheremeteva was not a Countess, she was from untitled branch of the family. I beleive somewhere in the Russian Noble Families subforum I discussed her genealogy with Forum Admin.

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Re: King Alexander I & Aspasia Manos
« Reply #196 on: November 11, 2012, 05:20:57 PM »
Was she related to Misha's wife ?

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Re: King Alexander I & Aspasia Manos
« Reply #197 on: November 11, 2012, 09:12:03 PM »
A little correction. Natalia Sheremeteva was not a Countess, she was from untitled branch of the family. I beleive somewhere in the Russian Noble Families subforum I discussed her genealogy with Forum Admin.

Thank you for this correction...I will now search there to read it!

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Re: King Alexander I & Aspasia Manos
« Reply #198 on: November 11, 2012, 09:18:09 PM »
Was she related to Misha's wife ?

As far as I know,she was Sheremetevsky and not Sheremetev...I am not sure if the families are somehow connected,but Brasova's father was described as a man who belonged to untitled minor nobility...

Guess other posters might know more about it...

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Re: King Alexander I & Aspasia Manos
« Reply #199 on: November 11, 2012, 10:31:55 PM »
A little correction. Natalia Sheremeteva was not a Countess, she was from untitled branch of the family. I beleive somewhere in the Russian Noble Families subforum I discussed her genealogy with Forum Admin.

Here is that thread,in case someone is interested:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=16034.0

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Re: King Alexander I & Aspasia Manos
« Reply #200 on: November 11, 2012, 10:34:15 PM »
Was she related to Misha's wife ?

No.

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Re: King Alexander I & Aspasia Manos
« Reply #201 on: November 11, 2012, 11:28:12 PM »
Thanks. I think I got it mixed up.

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Re: King Alexander I & Aspasia Manos
« Reply #202 on: November 12, 2012, 06:04:57 AM »
Thanks to Svetabel and her links on other thread I googled a portrait of Aspasia's ancestress, Princess Ekaterina Soutzo (1822-1874), born Obreshkova,daughter of Natalia Sheremeteva,Chopin's friend whose ancestry we have discussed earlier...

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ekaterina_Dmitrievna_Obreskova.jpg
« Last Edit: November 12, 2012, 06:38:47 AM by Marc »

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Re: King Alexander I & Aspasia Manos
« Reply #203 on: November 12, 2012, 02:27:33 PM »
Aspasia is also distantly related to Ileana Manos, the current Duchess of Chartres. They are both descended from Konstantinos Manos Sr--Aspasia's father (Petr) and Ileana's great-grandfather (Konstantinos) were brothers.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2012, 03:22:40 PM by grandduchessella »
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Re: King Alexander I & Aspasia Manos
« Reply #204 on: November 12, 2012, 11:38:18 PM »
Didn't know that. Does she knows how to use the Greek evil eye too ? Aspasia was known to have used it.

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Re: King Alexander I & Aspasia Manos
« Reply #205 on: November 14, 2012, 08:45:15 AM »
Aspasia is also distantly related to Ileana Manos, the current Duchess of Chartres. They are both descended from Konstantinos Manos Sr--Aspasia's father (Petr) and Ileana's great-grandfather (Konstantinos) were brothers.

Well,at the time of Ileana's birth Aspasia was alive and they were in fact first cousins twice removed...

Ileana's ancestors also include ancient families such Soutzo, Callimachi, Rosetti, Mavrocordato, Cantacuzene which ruled in Moldavia and Wallachia...Through them she is a descendant of many Byzantine Emperors such as Isaac II, Alexios I, Ioannes VI, Andronicos II along with Friedrich Barbarossa,Holy Roman Emperor, King Henry II of England, King Afonso I of Portugal and Dukes of Burgogne which means that she has also descended from the House of Capet to which he has been married into ;)
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Re: King Alexander I & Aspasia Manos
« Reply #206 on: December 15, 2012, 07:12:05 AM »
Aspasia Manos :

Reginei Mama Elena a Romaniei

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Re: King Alexander I & Aspasia Manos
« Reply #207 on: February 23, 2013, 07:21:16 AM »
Reginei Mama Elena a Romaniei

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Re: King Alexander I & Aspasia Manos
« Reply #208 on: February 23, 2013, 01:11:31 PM »
I think these photos were sold on Ebay. Did you bought them ?

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Re: King Alexander I & Aspasia Manos
« Reply #209 on: March 08, 2013, 03:45:51 AM »
One more of Aspasia: