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Offline JamesAPrattIII

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Some errata for the final chapter
« on: November 26, 2013, 09:22:53 PM »
Here is some errata for the Final Chapter:
from the book "Thou Shalt Kill:
The Urals in 1905 was an area of widespread Boloshevik Terror attacks
Y Sverdrov, A Bolo high up who helped decide the fate of the IF was in 1905 in Ekaterinberg the leader of a "Combat Detachment" which conducted a terror campaign against government supporters and members and supporters of the "Black Hundreds. I think this is one of the reasons why Purishkevich had a handgun a the time of Rasputin's murder.

Two other men who played roles in the IF fate Vassily Yakolev and Peter Ermakov were both "combatants" (revolutionaries/terrorists) during the 1905-07 period

A. Miasnikov who was involved in the killing of GD Michael A. supposedly became mentally unbalanced in prison after being jailed for combatant activities during the 1905-07 period.

This is from Romanov Autumn:

Alexander Kerensky according to his memoirs decided the IF can't go to the Crimea because it was unsafe for them to travel there. This book states he would have allowed the children to go there to be with their grandmother the DE but they did not want to leave their parents. Nelpa's book on the murder of Rasputin states Kerensky had links to Toblosk and also some of the Decembrists were exciled there. Kerensky was also paranoid that he was going to overthrown in a coup by the military and totally ignored the threat posed by lenin according to the book "The Russian Revolution". The book "Young Stalin" has Kerensky using both Cocaine and Morphia at this time. So it looks like he sent them to Siberia to get them away from Petrograd.

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Re: Some errata for the final chapter
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2013, 03:13:11 PM »
The book Romanov Autumn also has a chapter on Princess Elena Petrovna better known as Princess Helen of Serbia. She was the only member of the Romanovs held prisoner by the Urals Soviet to survive. She mentions that she was striped and searched by Yurovsky. Also she was transported and jailed in perm with Hendrova and Schneider.

Peter Voikov who played a role in fate of the IF was later made the Soviet ambassador to Poland. This is the rest of the story from the book "Bitter Glory". The Poles didn't want him as ambassador but the Soviets insisted. The Poles offered him Police protection but he refused it. After he was assassinated the Soviets thinking this was one of the final steps before Poland and England declared war on them put their army on alert. Quick diplomatic action by the Poles calmed down the situation.  In part because the Polish envoy to Moscow had been a lawyer who pre WW I had specialized in defending revolutionaries and many of the leading Soviet leaders had been his clients. Also note according to his wiki bio Voikov had been a terrorist since the age of 15. Both "Bitter Glory" and his wiki bio give the date of his assassination as 7 June 1927. FOTR gives it as 7 July 1927.

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Re: Some errata for the final chapter
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2013, 03:43:40 PM »
According to the book "The Gulag Archipeligo" after Voikov was assassinated there were a series of mass arrests in the USSR known as the Voikov Draft.

The man saved the dog Joy was Col Paul Rodzianko, nephew of the Duma leader Michael Rodzianko. How he got to Siberia is quite a story. He was a Guards cavalry officer in the Russian army and when the February 1917 revolution broke out he was a observer in Italy. Soon after this he didn't get paid anymore so he enlisted in the British army as a private. in 1918 General A Knox the former military attaché had him made a honorary Colonel in the British army and off he went with Knox to Siberia as part of the british military mission there. Rodzianko is mentioned in a number of books "Left Behind" (online), "The File on the tsar" and LDR. He helped Sohia "Iza" Buhoeveden get out of Siberia and mentions they had some long talks around the stove. He wrote his memoirs "Tattered banners"

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Re: Some errata for the final chapter
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2013, 05:39:43 PM »
The rifle Peter Ermakov grabbed from another guard and bayoneted Anastasia after she woke up and started screaming was a M-1891 Mosin-Nagant 7.62mm rifle. This was the standard Russian army rifle in both World wars and a number of others. 37 million were made making it the most produced rifle in history after the AK-47. This is the rifle you often see in the pictures of this time frame with the long thin bayonet attached. It was designed by Serge Mosin and Leon Nagant.. There is a Wikipedia page on this rifle which saw use all over the world during the 1900s.
"The Mosine-Nagant Rifle" by Terence W. Lapin is a fine book on this weapon
For online reading go to the fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nut for the 7 August 2013 posting "The Mighty Mosin-Nagant" reading the full post you will find a comparison of the AR-15, Ak-47 and M-1891 that is quite funny
the site Gun and game.com has a Mosin-nagant section.

The handgun Dora "Fanny" Kaplan used to shoot and badly wound V.I. Lenin in September 1918 was Browning pistol serial number 150489 it was most likely a model 1900

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Re: Some errata for the final chapter
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2014, 04:51:55 PM »
I have pointed out some time ago it is rather hard to stab someone to death the book "Knights of Bushido A Short History of Japanese War Crimes" has a number of accounts of people who survived several bayonet wounds. This book is not for people with weak stomachs. Note: as of this writing a short time ago the Prime Minister of Japan was heavily critized for visiting the Yasukuni Shrine which commemorates the Japanese dead of WW II including those hung as major or class a war criminals. This book tells you what these men did to get themselves hung. There is a copanion volume "Scourge of the Swasticia" on German war crimes.

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Re: Some errata for the final chapter
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2014, 10:37:26 PM »
James, I don't have access to  my library right now (not home) and the name escapes me, but have you read the book on Chichi Jima and how Maj. Matobo (?) treated American POW's?

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Re: Some errata for the final chapter
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2014, 03:49:58 PM »
If you mean the book "Flyboys" yes. I think it was a really awful book. I sometimes thought what "controlled substance" was this guy using when he wrote it. The Knights of Bushido does have a chapter where canabalism is discussed including one of the incidents on Chichi Jima

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Re: Some errata for the final chapter
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2014, 05:14:38 PM »
I have some more information and errata:

Machine guns used by the guards of the Ipatiev house Maxim and Colt

The Maxims were most likely PM (Pullenmyot Maxim) M-19102 This was the standard heavy machine gun of the Russian army of WW I it also saw wide use in WW II and a number of other wars by a number of other armies. It fired the 7.62 x 54mm round. It is best identified by it's wheeled mount, gun shield and water jacket around the barrel

The Colt machine gun is the Colt-Browning Model 1895. One of the many weapons designed by John M. Browning. This weapon was used by a number of countries in several different calibers during the WW I period and after. During WW I the Russian government bought 14,850 of them. It's most notable feature is the gas lever underneath the barrel that flipped up and down when the weapon is fired giving it the nickname the patato digger.

If you go to youtube and make a search for these and all the other weapons I have mentioned you will find a video of someone shooting one ect.

This will be a little controversial Filipp Goloshchekin who played a role in the fate of the Romanovs.  After the Russian Civil war he was made the party secretary of Kazakhstan during the early 1930s as a result of the Soviet collectivization of agriculture around 1 million people died of starvation. Since he was jewish and many of those who died were Moslems. It looks like he gets the distinction of killing more Moslems than any other jew in history.

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Re: Some errata for the final chapter
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2014, 03:54:35 PM »
In looking through FOTR certain things don't add up:
Ivan Sednev and Nagorny: p157 27 may 1918 after Nagorny gets into an argument with Avdayev and Moshkin over searching the baggage at 6:30 pm he and Ivan Sednev are sent to jail. Nicholas and Alexandra don't know why according to their diaries. P159 31 may they are taken out and shot. pages 176-177 1 june 1918 Kharitonov hands over a box containing 8 hand grenades/bombs to the duty commander it is reported and nagorny and Sednev are shot !?

P142 FOTR has Hendrikovas maid Alexandrine Nikoleava and the maid Anna Romanova telling both Buxhoeveden and the Bolsheviks about the hidden jewels. According to Bykovs 1927 account.
In the archive.org The last Days of the Romanovs by G Telberg in Koblinsky's testomony he has Pauline Mejantz has Hendikova's maid. There is no mention of a Alexandrine Nikoleava but he mentions a Victoria Vladmorovna Nikolaeva as Hendrikova's ward at Tolbolsk, but doesn't mention her after that. He also says of Anna Romanov she arrives in Tolbosk later was not allowed inside the govenors house and did not go to Ekaterineburg with either party!?

Confusing isn't it?

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Re: Some errata for the final chapter
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2014, 06:03:23 PM »
Still, it is a great book.

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Re: Some errata for the final chapter
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2014, 10:10:45 PM »
Still, it is a great book.

Always surprised me that you enjoyed it as much as you do Tim. I wouldn't go so far as to call it a polemic but being such a big IF fan as I know you are FOTR is hardly sympathetic. Not that it isn't an extremely valuable resource providing a wealth of information, but I find a number of its depictions exaggerated and, as James points out, based on false assumptions.
Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right...

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Re: Some errata for the final chapter
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2014, 03:07:48 PM »
The White Government in Siberia
 The White government in Siberia during the period 1918-20 is somewhat confusing. First of all Admiral Kolchak was not in command the whole time. This is a brief history mainly taken from the book "Russia under the Bolshevik Regime". In December 1917 a group of SRs and Kadets in Tomsk formed the Siberian Regional Council. 9 February 1918 NS the Council declares Siberia independent. In early July 1918 it moved to Omsk.
 In June after the Czech revolt broke out 92 SR deputies from the Duma met in Samara and set up the Committee of the Constituant Assembly or Komuch. The Czechs not wanting to get involved in Russian politics refused at first to give the komuch any support. With some proding from the Allies the Omsk and Komuch goverments on 15 july and 23-25 August but all they did was squabble among themselves which exasperated the Czechs. Finally a t a 3rd meeting at Ufa they agreed and set up an all Russian provisional government headed by a 5 man directory. This government was dominated by the SRs and was totally ineffective. The members spent most of their time squabbling and intriguing against each other.
  Meanwhile, Admiral Kolchak who was on a mission to the US when the Bolsheviks seized power tried to return to Russia via the Far east and for awhile in early 1918 he was in Manchuria and Siberia. From July to September 1918 he was in Japan. In October he was passing through Omsk on his way to join the Volunteer army in South Russia. When he was talked into being the Directory's War Minister.
  On 24 October the SR central committee in Ufa issued a manifesto which stated how "Democracy" (the anti-Bolshevik movement ) was endangered by "counterrevolutionary forces' (the White army officers)  and needed to arm itself against them. This infuriated the White army officers remembering what the Provisional government did to them in 1917. Result their was a coup against the Directory during the night of 17/18 November 1918. Kolchak who is seems knew nothing about the coup was soon made Supreme leader of the White Government in Siberia. He was their leader until 4 January 1920 when he resigned. On 15 January he was handed over to the local leftists who handed him over to the Bolsheviks who shot him on Lenins orders on 7 February 1920.

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Re: Some errata for the final chapter
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2015, 05:46:21 PM »
In looking through a book on WW I in a book store recently I saw a picture of a Russian poster that looked familiar. I couldn't remember where I had seen it before. In looking through this site I remembered it is the Russian soldier with a beard and rifle in Sophie B's online book "Left Behind".

Rudolf Lacher the book "File on the Tsar" lists his regiment as the 1st Tyrolean Imperial rifles. The units actual name is the Tyrolean Kaiser Jaeger Regiment 1. Which the word Jaeger means hunter which is what the Germans/Austrians used to call their rifle or light infantry units. This regiment was usually a part of the 8th Infantry division/ XIV corps/ 4th Army of the KUK (Imperial and Royal) army. It fought against the Russians from August 1914 to around August 1915 when the regiment was sent to fight the Italians. Lacher was captured in 1915. Most likely in one of the winter battles early this year.

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Re: Some errata for the final chapter
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2015, 03:40:04 PM »
The book Nicholas and Alexandra has Alexei having a fall while riding down the inside stairs in a boat with runners  source Tatania Botkina

In AFs Last Diary 30 march/12 April 1918 she writes "Baby stays in fr coughing so hard has a slight hemorrhage in the abdom" (Note the spellings are hers not typos

"In the Life and Tragedy of Alexandra Feodorova" has it do to "whooping cough" and he  "burst a blood vessel coughing"

It would appear that that Botkina got it wrong and Alexei final hemophilia attack was do to coughing.

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Re: Some errata for the final chapter
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2015, 05:32:31 PM »
I have some more information on White General Michael K Diterikhs  who did play a role in the investigation of the murder of the Imperial Family. This supplements what is found on his wiki bio:

He was of German ancestry. He saw service in Turkistan and the Russo-Japanese war. During WW I at first he was chief of staff of the Russian 3rd army, then he was Quartermaster General (Operations officer) of the South-West front In March of 1916 he was given command of a Russian Infantry Brigade that fought in Salonika. After the February 1917 revolution he was back in Russia and was the Quartermaster general at Stala to general Dukhonin the last Commander of the Russian Imperial army. Diterikhs managed to escape when Dukhonin was murdered by the Red Guards and for awhile he worked as a day laborer. In 1918 he linked up with the Czech Legion in Siberia and in part since he had met some of their leaders earlier in WW I they made him the Chief of Staff to their Commander. In July 1918 they capture Vladivostok. In November 1918 he left the Czechs and joined the White army.  Inspite of the fact he was one of the better Generals in the White army he was put in charge of overseeing the investigation of the murder investigation of the Imperial Family in Ekaterinburg from January to June 1919.  In July 1918 he was finally given a command at the front of the White Siberian army. In command he advised the White armies to stand on the defense. Sadly the Chief of Staff of the White armies in Siberia General Lebedev ordered an attack at Cheliabinsk that was a failure. On 9 August 1919 Diterkhs replaced him as Chief of Staff. By this time according to another White Leader the effects of war and revolution "had deeply shaken the balance of his mind" and this period the White leadership was in the phase of what one White leader called "Unplanning". In spite of only having only 50-60,000 men at the front Diterikhs decided to launch an offensive against the larger Red armies. This offensive called the Ishim-Tobol or Tobolsk offensive in September did recapture Tobolsk and 17,000 prisoners but it was done at heavy cost to the White army which could not replace its losses. In October the Red armies attacked and the White Armies or what was left of them were routed. Diterikhs wanted to abandon the White capitol at Omsk and retreat to a more suitable defense position. The White leader Admiral Kolchak at first agreed then ordered Omsk to be defended. Diterikhs got into a rage over this and resigned on 4 November 1919. The order to withdraw from Omsk which was impossible to defend too late to carry out a planned withdrawl. Result the White forces and large numbers of refugees fled in a panic which led to the disintegration of what was left of the White forces. After Kolchak was captured and shot by the reds Diterichs became the leader of what was left of the White forces in Japanese occupied Siberia. When they withdrew he went with them. He settled in Shanghai China where he worker at first as a bank teller and then a cobbler until he died in 1937.

He was a religious fanatic, even when he went through the General staff academy he went through bouts of religiosity and mysticism. He was also a reactionary monarchist and extreme anti-Semite.