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Marriages between "Former People" and "New Russians"?
« on: January 11, 2014, 12:39:28 PM »
I was wondering if anyone knows of any marriages between (titled) exiled descendants of the old aristocracy and rich Russian oligarchs or their families? Is there too much mutual disdain and contempt between these two groups or could for example a Russian oligarch be interested in marrying his daughter to a baron, count or prince? After all, both money and titles become more glamourous and fashionable when they are combined......

I started wondering along these lines when thinking about Grand Duke Georgiy Mikhailovich working for Norilsk Nickel and thus hobnobbing with the oligarchs. I think it's just as likely that he marries an oligarch's daughter and restores the Romanovs' social position in Russia than an equal marriage to a European aristocrat of far more moderate means with the sole purpose of keeping the Vladimirovichi's dubious pretension legitimate.

As far as I can see British celebrity (Countess) Alexandra Tolstoy has a liaison and several children with the oligarch Sergey Pugachev, but of course no titles will be transferred this way.
Imagine if Kseniya Sobchak, daughter of the St. Petersburg mayor who welcomed Grand Duke Vladimir Kirillovich back to Russia in 1991, and described as a Russian Paris Hilton in appearance, but with a political career in the opposition, would marry a baron, count, prince or even GD Georgiy!

One obstacle I can see hindering this is that several oligarchs are Jewish.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2014, 01:09:29 PM by Превед »
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Re: Marriages between "Former People" and "New Russians"?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2014, 01:15:30 PM »
I don't know of any  current Russia examples of this phenomenon, but it has a long tradition, perhaps the most common occurrences being marriages between relatively nouveaux riches Americans and penurious titled Europeans, and sometimes even just apparently titled Europeans. With the decline  beginning in the nineteenth century of the European aristocracy and the concomitant rise in American prosperity in the latter half of that century(and continuing) these would be marriages, if not made in heaven, at least  nicey seriving the interests of both parties
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Re: Marriages between "Former People" and "New Russians"?
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2014, 07:27:04 AM »

Not Grand Duke Georgii Mikhailovich he is a prince von Hohenzollern whatever his ambitious mother says will not change that her son isn't a Romanov and less a Grand Duke, Maria Vladimirovna for most Russians, excepting her friend the Patriarch and Putin, is just another princess Romanov or Romanovsky

I was wondering if anyone knows of any marriages between (titled) exiled descendants of the old aristocracy and rich Russian oligarchs or their families? Is there too much mutual disdain and contempt between these two groups or could for example a Russian oligarch be interested in marrying his daughter to a baron, count or prince? After all, both money and titles become more glamorous and fashionable when they are combined......

I started wondering along these lines when thinking about Grand Duke Georgi Mikhailovich working for Norilsk Nickel and thus hobnobbing with the oligarchs. I think it's just as likely that he marries an oligarch's daughter and restores the Romanov's' social position in Russia than an equal marriage to a European aristocrat of far more moderate means with the sole purpose of keeping the Vladimirovichi's dubious pretension legitimate.

As far as I can see British celebrity (Countess) Alexandra Tolstoy has a liaison and several children with the oligarch Sergey Pugachev, but of course no titles will be transferred this way.
Imagine if Kseniya Sobchak, daughter of the St. Petersburg mayor who welcomed Grand Duke Vladimir Kirillovich back to Russia in 1991, and described as a Russian Paris Hilton in appearance, but with a political career in the opposition, would marry a baron, count, prince or even GD Georgiy!

One obstacle I can see hindering this is that several oligarchs are Jewish.

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Re: Marriages between "Former People" and "New Russians"?
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2014, 11:52:30 AM »
Imagine if one of Putins daughter's, Mariya (née 1985) or Yekaterina (née 1986), who are even more secluded from the public than OTMA were, would marry Georgiy Mikhailovich (né 1981).
It would be just like when Franco married his granddaughter to a Bourbon prince.

Great common bond: He is a Hohenzollern, one of them (Yekaterina) was born in Dresden and they both attended the German School in Moscow.

« Last Edit: April 05, 2014, 12:00:02 PM by Превед »
Берёзы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и берёзы», 1843 / 1856)