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Offline Janet_W.

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2005, 10:50:30 PM »
While I don't think Olga and Tatiana were ever thought of as "spinster" material, nobility and common folk alike gossiped about who would be deemed appropriate matches for the eldest daughters of the Tsar. And since Nicholas and Alexandra were a well-known love match, I doubt too many people were surprised when the potential alliance between Olga and Carol of Romania was discarded. Considering the example their parents had set, how could Olga be expected to marry for dynastic purposes only?  

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Olga and Tatiana were often in dispair about their own matimonial futures. War always raises the population of widows and spinsters. The pool of candidates for a grand duchess, of course, wouldn't likely be diminished by warfare, but the shift in politics that comes with war's resolution might well have eliminated a few candidates.  In the meantime--and as was the case with nearly everyone else--Olga and Tatiana had to put a certain amount of their lives "on hold" during the war years.

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2005, 10:51:37 AM »
Remember, too, that Alexandra married Nicholas at the ripe old age of 22! Olga was only 21 years old when the revolution broke out, and still only 22 when she was murdered.
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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2005, 12:48:45 PM »
For a princess I think if you were still single after 20 you were considered an old maid. I know I have read at some point Alexandra didn't think she would ever marry.
But she could have married young but held off other suitors in hopes of marrying for love, which she did. So maybe a little waiting ain't so bad.

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2005, 08:10:24 PM »
      This may be a bit off-topic, and too much down the Dmitri path, but nothing I've ever read delves too much into Dmitri's  homosexual side. As an earlier respondent says, once Alix got wind of some of Dmitri's supposed activities, she of course ruled him out as a prospective son-in-law. I wonder sometimes, too, if there was not a part of Alix that wanted to keep the girls unmarried and near her, somewhat like Princess Victoria. Also, too, I think the Emperor viewed Dmitri somewhat like a son, since Pavel's banishment, and that the girls thought of him to some extent in a brotherly way ?
    We hear Felix's references to the two of them carousing in Petersburg, and vague references from the family but no real definitive information about that. I wonder if he had any flings in Petersburg, or any serious gay relationships ? Of course he did later marry Ms. Emery but that proves nothing about someone's romantic or sexual inclinations.
    I think Dmitri was a big partier, socialite, someone who relished being young, very wealthy, entitled, and, in many respects, above the law, as part of the family.
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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2005, 08:14:02 PM »
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     Of course he did later marry Ms. Emery but that proves nothing about someone's romantic or sexual inclinations.
    


Dmitri also later had a "hot and heavy" affair with Coco Chanel...

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2005, 08:17:30 PM »
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Dmitry was seeing a lot of natasha , the mistress of
grand duke michael (who michael  did marry later on ) , I cant say weather they were having an affair, but on  dimity's part he was in love with her, I think she was only playing with him to make michael jealous


Yes, according to the author of  "Michael and Natasha", Dmitry had some sort of a crush on Natasha and even told her, she told Michael about it, and for a while there were some hard feelings between D and Michael. Later everyone got over it.

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2005, 02:29:38 PM »
I have read in one of the first soviet books (1924) that
Japanese prince wanted to merry Olyga and came to Russia 3 times!
I have never heard about it from other sources.
Did some of you hear about such matrimonial plans?

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2005, 02:32:00 PM »
I do remember reading in some letter from the girls that Olga often talked to him and he taught her some Japanese and that Tatiana said in a letter to Nicholas, "There is a rumour in the town that I'm going to get married to him. They forget that he has got a wife and, besides, he is a pagan."

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2005, 02:44:58 PM »
Can you kindly advice when can I read this letter?
Japan was not islamic country and they were allowed to have only one wife.
So, he could not propose if he had one.

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2005, 02:49:10 PM »
It's just a little piece of a letter here on the site at Tatiana's diaries.

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2005, 02:59:25 PM »
Yes, I found it . Thank you very much.
If somebody knows, if those letters from Russian State Archive in Moscow or not?

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2005, 03:10:19 PM »
Yes, they are. :)

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« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2005, 08:33:43 AM »
i thought because nicholas didn't like japan, he wouldn't allow it (on the culture thread the children didn't seem to have a tolerance towards the asian cultures)
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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2005, 09:11:10 AM »
That's an interesting point Ferngully. I was thinking about that myself....It is rather ironic.

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Re: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2005, 12:13:22 PM »
Yes, he did not like Japan.
But at the same time , the relations with Japan became better and better in 1910ss.
And somebody was trying to make the Imperial Train go not to Ekaterinburg but to Japan.