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Re: Colonel Bernard Ernest Jule de Koetteritz (Russian Imperial Guard)
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2017, 03:29:37 PM »
I have a photo of him, and he is wearing a couple medals (though he is not in a uniform). Does anyone recognize any of these?
They are graduation badges, not medals. The upper one: most probably, Alexeyevskoe Officer School, Moscow. The lower one (Maltese cross): Corps of Pages, St. Petersburg.

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Re: Colonel Bernard Ernest Jule de Koetteritz (Russian Imperial Guard)
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2017, 03:16:44 AM »
Another possibility for the upper badge: Regimental badge of 13th Life-Grenadier Erivan regiment.

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Re: Colonel Bernard Ernest Jule de Koetteritz (Russian Imperial Guard)
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2017, 01:09:10 PM »

I doubt Yulevich / Julevitch / Юльевич is a matronymic. Much more likely it's a patronymic from Julius (German) / Jules (French) / Юлий / Yuliy (Russian). Doesn't necessarily have to be from a biological father, but possibly from an (Orthodox) godfather.

You are absolutely right Preved!  After relooking at the "original spelling" in Russian, it is masculine/2nd declension.
My apologies!  v/r  JGP
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Re: Colonel Bernard Ernest Jule de Koetteritz (Russian Imperial Guard)
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2017, 09:20:31 AM »
Another possibility for the upper badge: Regimental badge of 13th Life-Grenadier Erivan regiment.

Thanks a lot! That's something to go on. This gent is just so elusive . . . but I can't help wanting to find out more about him. :)

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Re: Colonel Bernard Ernest Jule de Koetteritz (Russian Imperial Guard)
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2017, 09:29:49 AM »
Here is a marriage record for Otto and Clara. I'm hoping that someone may be able to translate this, as it may offer some more clues.



To see the image at full size, you can use this link:
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/ottodekoetteritz.jpg

Thanks for any help!

There's no mention of a Clara in this clip?

From what I think I can read (do you have the pic in higher resolution, or the original url?) it's about Otto Adolph von Koetteritz, lieutenant of the Royal (Prussian?) army in the artillery guards, son of (Jonas??) Ernst Julius von Koetteritz, Chief lieutenant in the Imperial Russian Army, and Juliane Eleonore Montflarin.
Age 35 years and 1 month

Just saw this particular reply, so I'm sorry to be late in answering it. Here is a link that should show the clip larger:
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/ottodekoetteritz.jpg

My father works with someone from Western Germany, and she and her mother say that this piece was written in the Eastern parts and seems to have some Polish characters in it.

I've also found an entry for my Bernard de Koetteritz in the England Probate Calendars. It does give the name of his heir as "Valerian Ketteritz", a nephew in Russia. Maybe this is a clue? So far, I can't turn up anything on Valerian, but here's the probate listing:

Ketteritz, Bernard Julievitch
Personal Estate 461 pounds 18 shillings 5d.
20 May. Administration of the Personal Estate of Bernard Julievitch Ketteritz late of Florence in Italy a retired Colonel from the Russian Army a Widower who died 26 April 1888 at Florence was granted at the Principal Registery under the usual Limitations to James Curtis Leman of 51 Lincoln's-Inn-Fields in the County of Middlesex Solicitor the lawful Attorney of Valerian Ketteritz the Nephew and one of the Next of Kin now residing in Russia.


Thanks so much to everyone for their help!

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Re: Colonel Bernard Ernest Jule de Koetteritz (Russian Imperial Guard)
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2017, 04:05:46 PM »
This is a photo of Valerian Ketteritz, b. 1838, d. 1907. He was senior inspector of Russian Railways in the rank of active state councillor (equivalent to major-general).

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Re: Colonel Bernard Ernest Jule de Koetteritz (Russian Imperial Guard)
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2017, 04:34:31 PM »
Here is a marriage record for Otto and Clara. I'm hoping that someone may be able to translate this, as it may offer some more clues.



To see the image at full size, you can use this link:
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/ottodekoetteritz.jpg

Thanks for any help!

There's no mention of a Clara in this clip?

From what I think I can read (do you have the pic in higher resolution, or the original url?) it's about Otto Adolph von Koetteritz, lieutenant of the Royal (Prussian?) army in the artillery guards, son of (Jonas??) Ernst Julius von Koetteritz, Chief lieutenant in the Imperial Russian Army, and Juliane Eleonore Montflarin.
Age 35 years and 1 month

Just saw this particular reply, so I'm sorry to be late in answering it. Here is a link that should show the clip larger:
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/ottodekoetteritz.jpg

My father works with someone from Western Germany, and she and her mother say that this piece was written in the Eastern parts and seems to have some Polish characters in it.

Hi Sarah!

From what I see in this clip (which is only "the groom-part" if this is part of a marriage certificate) it's written in deutsche Kurrent ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurrent )  which indeed does look like it's written in some long-lost script from an ancient civilisation, but in fact it's all in German.
The link you gave is the same as in the original post, but do you know where it came from, it's original URL? If we can see the marriage certificate in its entirety I'm sure it will all become clear.

From this (somewhat fuzzy) clip I read:
"[H[e]rr] Otto Adolph v. Koetteritz, Köngl. …. Leutnant i.d. Guarde Artillerie, aus Brandenburg a.d.H. geb., Sohn der .... Herrn Ernst Julius von Koetteritz, Kais.  Russ. Oberstleutnant von ....  ...., und die Frau Juliane Eleonore geb. Montflarin, ...., 35 Jahr 1 Monat alt, ...."


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Re: Colonel Bernard Ernest Jule de Koetteritz (Russian Imperial Guard)
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2017, 11:08:56 AM »
Hi, again!
Sorry to be so late in replying, but I changed computers and then could not find this post again until just now. (For some reason, no notification came in, either.)

Here is the whole page, which is supposedly some German Lutheran records. Click the link to see the whole page. The Koetteritz entry is the last one at the bottom (and if you click on the image it will blow up very large).
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/Otto%20von%20Koetteritz%20Marriage.jpg

Thanks, too for the photo of Valerian Koetteritz. That's great!

Regards,
Sarah