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Winter Palace Blueprints
« on: August 25, 2015, 07:24:39 PM »
I have lots of rare blueprints of the winter palace in st Petersburg, even the first three really obscure ones! They're from a rare book I had to get shipped from Ukraine, but I can't read a lick of russian, so if you can translate the captions, that would be much appreciated. If you have any blueprints of the winter palace, please do post them. If you have any summer palace blueprints, feel free to post them too, because the two palaces are like two peas in a pod and I like that one too. I'll hopefully start posting tomorrow, but ill see if I can upload one tonight too.

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Re: Winter Palace Blueprints
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2015, 08:22:27 PM »

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Re: Winter Palace Blueprints
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2015, 05:18:44 PM »
Alright, here's how it should be about to go down. I'll first post plans of the first winter palace, then the second one, then the third one, then the Apraksin palace which later was rebuilt as the current winter palace, then the wooden palace they stayed in while the current one was being built, THEN the current one. Also, Catherine palace plans will now go on a separate thread cause i came across a whole bunch of them.

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Re: Winter Palace Blueprints
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2015, 05:26:39 PM »
So, the first winter palace looked like this and had these plans:


then, a courtyard was added in the back:


this is a depiction of the ceremonial hall:

pictures from http://petro-barocco.ru/archives/4465

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Re: Winter Palace Blueprints
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2015, 05:38:38 PM »
Next, the second winter palace.



it was later expanded

here's a cutaway, with a dining room with a snack bar in the lower left, peter I's rooms in the lower right, and Catherine's rooms on the second floor

it was eventually expanded even more



ceremonial hall cutaway

the red marble panels in the ceremonial hall

and tile furnaces

pictures taken from http://petro-barocco.ru/archives/4448

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Re: Winter Palace Blueprints
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2015, 05:41:59 PM »
Here, you can see that the second winter palace sat on the site of (I think) the hermitage theater.

picture gotten from http://iknigi.net/avtor-albert-aspidov/86325-peterburgskie-arabeski-albert-aspidov/read/page-8.html

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Re: Winter Palace Blueprints
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2015, 05:51:00 PM »
Now, onto the third winter palace, which had the second palace as just one of its terminating wings.

Here's how it looked in 1720

the roof was redone by 1724

Here's an early floor plan

followed by what I assume is a later floor plan

Interiors, the large cavaliers hall

the walls of the great hall

and the bedroom of Peter I

pictures from http://petro-barocco.ru/archives/4435 and http://www.arhitekto.ru/txt/6ross19.shtml

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Re: Winter Palace Blueprints
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2015, 06:02:55 PM »
Now, the Apraksin palace. Remember, this is the core of the current winter palace, though it was completely demolished before construction began on the current one.

this is what a preliminary plan said it would look like

but it ended up getting a full third floor

then, there were huge additions, I think that was when the empress moved into it.

here you can see the old on the left, and the additions on the right and moving towards the top of the page

here's the new west facade (the facade looking right on the plan up above and on the floor plan below)

here's that same facade after an addition

and, here's a floor plan of the finished thing

pictures from http://www.arhitekto.ru/txt/6ross20.shtml and http://architan.ru/stati/znamenitye_arhitektory/leblon_zhanbatist_aleksandr/

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Re: Winter Palace Blueprints
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2015, 06:11:30 PM »
Now, after the Apraksin palace was demolished to make way for the final Winter Palace, the royals had nowhere to live, so in a few months they had a huge wooden palace built, which started out well-planned, but by the end of construction was a complicated monstrosity. It was eventually dismantled for building materials to an extension to some other palace.




pictures mostly from http://www.arhitekto.ru/txt/6ross21.shtml

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Re: Winter Palace Blueprints
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2015, 06:33:31 PM »
NOW for what you've all been waiting for, the blueprints to the current and final winter palace. Well, there's quite a few of them. I'll start out with three of the facades. Plans of the east facade are rare, since it was mangled early on by the addition of St. George's hall, but I have a plan of that one too Ill post in the future. Keep in mind these plans i think are from the mid 1800s.

http://www.arthermitage.org/Drawings/Winter-Palace-The-Facade-Overlooking-Dvortsovaya-Square.big.html

http://www.arthermitage.org/Drawings/Winter-Palace-The-Facade-Overlooking-the-Admiralty.big.html

http://www.arthermitage.org/Drawings/Winter-Palace-The-Facade-Overlooking-the-Neva.big.html
Now for floor plans. Here's six main floor plans of varying qualities and stages in the palaces' history, the last two being the ground floor.






heres combined floor plan and elevation

here's a more detailed section of facade



Jordan staircase elevation

Chapel elevation

What i believe to be a throne room elevation but not sure

St georges hall elevation and ceiling


rafter elevation

random architectural details



mostly found on http://vladpawley.livejournal.com/20713.html
oh and if you want a huge floor plan try this http://www.arthermitage.org/Drawings/Winter-Palace-The-Plan-of-the-First-Floor.big.html
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Re: Winter Palace Blueprints
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2015, 08:29:16 PM »
Now, here's the more obscure stuff, stuff from that seventies russian book from ukraine.

weird interior of one of the earlier winter palace versions

I think this is an elevation of the throne room of the Apraksin palace

I think the upper image is another elevation of the Apraksin palace throne room, the lower one i dont really know, youll have to translate the caption yourself

This is ceiling plan of something, probably the throne room of apraksin palace but again I dont really know

these all appear to be scrapped sketches for the extension of Apraksin palace. These extension plans were scrapped, I think, when it was decided to just tear down the whole thing and rebuild it into the Winter Palace we have today.

These next two pictures are from one of the scrapped designs for the winter palace.


This is the super rare EAST elevation, from before the addition of St Georges hall mangled the whole thing, and it was covered up by the hermitage extensions.

Here's a window plan

Next, three sections of the Jordan staircase!



Here, an elevation of the winter palace throne room, before it was divided up into the royal apartments!

Im guessing this is the ceiling to the winter palace throne room, but again, dont really know

some window elevations

Im assuming this is the pulpit in the chapel

some sort of mezzanine library maybe? again, you have to translate the caption yourself

Now, something Im really proud to be able to post, the plans to the short-lived opera house in the southwest corner!


now I know its not a blueprint, but heres a depiction of what i think is the old winter palace throne room

honestly no idea on this one

Here's a plan of the throne room, with some wierd oval configuration in it? caption holds the answers to what that is i think

no idea on this one either

I think this is a side elevation of st georges hall

No idea youd have to translate the caption. actually ill just say TTC when you need to do that from now on

I think this is one of the three big neva staterooms

I think this is also one of the neva staterooms

Here's I think a cutaway of nicholas hall

TTC

TTC

TTC

A floor plan of the southwest corner of the main floor in 1818

TTC

the royal apartments floor plan in the northwest corner

TTC

the main floor, the rooms right behind the south facade on that square with the column, back in 1827

another plan of the royal apartments in the northwest corner

TTC

I think this is a plan of the october staircase where it starts on the first floor

Top, TTC. Bottom, floor plan from 1830.

Enjoy!
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Re: Winter Palace Blueprints
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2015, 09:25:10 PM »
I just realized this isn't much of a "discussion" even though this is a discussion forum, so can you all just pretend I asked someone for bluerpints? ;D

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Re: Winter Palace Blueprints
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2015, 05:26:49 PM »
Thanks a lot for these very interesting documents !! ^^

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Re: Winter Palace Blueprints
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2015, 08:13:28 AM »
Thank you Dodo00!

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Re: Winter Palace Blueprints
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2015, 10:09:09 AM »
Here's two AMAZING labeled plans I found

full res version http://smg.photobucket.com/user/skinheadbrian/media/wintpallabeled.jpg.html


http://smg.photobucket.com/user/skinheadbrian/media/winterpaldiagram.jpg.html

originally posted I believe by user brnbg aka: liljones1968