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INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« on: September 23, 2015, 12:42:57 PM »
Apparently they plan on exhuming the remains of Nicholas and Alexandra to do additional DNA studies to compare their DNA with the DNA of Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna and Tsar Alexander II!  http://www.theromanovfamily.com/romanov-remains-investigation-to-reopen/

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2015, 01:41:42 PM »
Please find attached link from the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34338802

Does anyone know what the documents that are mentioned below are concerning?

Documents from the so-called "White Guards Investigation" concerning the 1918 murder will also be studied. They came to light in the past four years.

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2015, 01:48:29 PM »
Sokolov investigation box.

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2015, 05:32:49 PM »
It will be interesting to see the outcome of all this.  

As Edubs said, perhaps it will result in the crimes of July 17th, 1918 being labeled as "murders", as they should be.

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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2015, 08:04:03 PM »
The investigation is clearly designed to settle the identity of the remains presently identified as those of Alexei and Maria in the shortest time possible.  Samples will be taken from skeletal material identified as that of Alexei, Maria, Nicholas II and Alexandra, from the blood-stained uniform of Nicholas's grandfather Alexander II, and from the body of Alexandra's sister Elizabeth.

This suggests that mitochondrial DNA will be compared between Alexandra, Elizabeth, Alexei and Maria, and identities will be confirmed if they share the same type of mtDNA. It also suggests that Y-DNA will be extracted from Alexander II, Nicholas II and Alexei, and identities will be confirmed if they share the same Y-DNA signature.

Results of previous DNA tests published in Western journals had concluded that Nicholas and Alexei shared their Y-DNA signature, while Alexandra shared her mtDNA signature with Olga, Tatiana, Maria and Anastasia. The new tests are presumably designed to strengthen the evidence that the family members are indeed related to more distant relatives, like Alexander II and Elizabeth. Such evidence was included in the previously published results, but the external comparisons were made with individuals who lived outside Russia, so that the Russian authorities had no way of checking these.

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2015, 02:07:35 AM »
Helen

Many thanks for clarifying.Does that mean that the RO Church will now allow a scientific analysis of some of the material in Church of Job in Brussels? I always thought that their stance was that they would not allow this.

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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2015, 04:13:00 AM »
I so hope the issue will finally be resolved and the remains of Alexei and his sister will be laid to rest and the family reunited at last!

I wonder though - the BBC article speaks of "Maria" - NOT "Maria or Anastasia". To my knowledge the question of the identification of the remains of Maria or Anastasia had not been settled but perhaps I missed out on more recent information?

Also the article talks about the possible future canonisation of Alexei and Maria. Would this be a canonisation as saints? The imperial family as a whole are already canonised as passion bearers.
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2015, 04:58:12 AM »
Passion-bearers ARE Saints in the Orthodox Church. It just describes what kind of Saint they are (Passion-bearers as opposed to say Confessors)

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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2015, 05:01:29 AM »
Should add that the entire family are Saints in the Orthodox Church. The BBC must have got something confused.


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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2015, 11:34:17 AM »
I so hope the issue will finally be resolved and the remains of Alexei and his sister will be laid to rest and the family reunited at last!

I wonder though - the BBC article speaks of "Maria" - NOT "Maria or Anastasia". To my knowledge the question of the identification of the remains of Maria or Anastasia had not been settled but perhaps I missed out on more recent information?

Also the article talks about the possible future canonisation of Alexei and Maria. Would this be a canonisation as saints? The imperial family as a whole are already canonised as passion bearers.

Well its not just the BBC. Earlier in the month when it was announced the last remains would be reburied every article and news program I saw, English or Russian, stated Alexei and Maria. All the pictures that accompanied them showed Maria's picture as well.  I didn't read one article that even brought up the question if they were Maria's or Anastasia's. I guess its accepted now that they belong to Maria.

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2015, 11:38:23 AM »
ROC never accepted the original set of 9 remains as authentic... So they were not buried as saints. Once all this nonsense is over and all the remains are recognized as authentic, hopefully they will all be re-interred as saints, including the two kids whose remains are sitting in archives. There is more than enough scientific evidence that all the remains are genuine, but ROC still refuses to accept this, for whatever reason of their own. I just hope they get the correct remains of GD Ella this time, and also that Alexander II's blood sample is not contaminated after all these years, otherwise we will see a lot more of the same nonsense...  This has gone on way too long and they need to get it all resolved ASAP...  

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2015, 11:40:17 AM »
Although I am not 100% convinced, as there is really no way to tell for sure whose remains they are without a confirmed DNA sample, it seems that it has been widely accepted that Maria is the one, not Anastasia. It doesn't matter that much as far as I am concerned, as long as both girls' remains are accounted for, and they are.

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2015, 07:51:38 PM »
... I just hope they get the correct remains of GD Ella...  

Which begs the questions: Is this really Ella's body?



There was the controversial testing done at Stanford University in 2004 with an alleged finger of Ella that was obtained by Bishop Anthony Grabbe during the opening of her coffin in Jerusalem in 1982. The DNA did not match. The Stanford team concluded the remains of the Imperial Family were not authentic. The counter-argument is that the finger isn't really from Ella. 
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2015, 05:52:35 AM »
Helen, a body doesn't need to be extant for the person to be a Saint.  That is why those articles seem strange to me - they already are Saints, there are icons of them. Bad reporting which has been copy-pasted in several newspapers by the look of it.