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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #105 on: February 21, 2017, 12:57:10 AM »
As I understand it, in identifying which of the girls was which, the investigators were dependent on bones and teeth. There are certain developments which typically take place between the ages of 17 and 19. The problem is that in July 1918 Anastasia was 17 and Marie was 19. Both had their respective birthdays at Ekaterinburg, so very recently.

Purely because I'm tired of Anastasia conspiracy theories, I rather hope that it was Marie in the second grave!

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« Reply #106 on: February 21, 2017, 11:47:59 AM »
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Purely because I'm tired of Anastasia conspiracy theories

Amazing how these conspiracies are still happening.  I mean the whole family has been accounted for.  They all died on July 17th, 1918, regardless of who was in that second grave. 
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« Reply #107 on: February 22, 2017, 12:55:47 PM »
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Purely because I'm tired of Anastasia conspiracy theories

Amazing how these conspiracies are still happening.  I mean the whole family has been accounted for.  They all died on July 17th, 1918, regardless of who was in that second grave.

Nah, that's fake news Tim . I have alternative facts that say otherwise ..... 'Anastasiaists' fit very well into this current zeitgeist .  Evidence can be dismissed with a wave of the hand amid accusations of being naive and brainwashed , before being pointed towards  highly questionable 'counter-evidence'. How susceptible people are to outlandish theories ! People will believe anything apparently , no matter how irrational and un-scientific. It's in our nature I guess.

Personally I just hope in 18 months time (July 2018) that all the remains are interred together (as I think they will be that month , but where ? who knows?) . It won't stop the crazies from bleating about Ana Andersons ears , hair , bunyans , etc , but at least WE will be grateful for the saga of the Romanov remains to have finally reached its end.

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #108 on: February 22, 2017, 05:32:23 PM »
I can't wait for the episode of Ancient Aliens that will reveal that the gray aliens spirited Anastasia away.  :D
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #109 on: February 24, 2017, 04:21:24 PM »
You have brought up a point of interest to this writer that Anastasia has not been confirmed to be in the second grave. Was there not a news report that both body remains in the second grave was  a boy and a girl and their DNA matched,  If that is correct then I may have the answer to who was found in the second grave sight.

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Anastasia has not been confirmed to be in the second grave, and Russia has buried one of the girls under 'Anastasia Nikolaevna' without both research teams agreeing on which youngest Grand Duchess the body belongs too, so 'Maria or Anastasia' it will remain. Articles say 'Maria' because Russia say Maria is missing, end of.
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #110 on: February 24, 2017, 04:43:33 PM »
Agreed, I find this odd as I thought there was, if not disagreement, certainly a reluctance at least to make a definite identification without further testing. I was under the impression that the desire for further testing was the major reason that internment of the two sets of remains had been so delayed? Perhaps not, I may be mistaken.

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« Reply #111 on: February 24, 2017, 04:48:15 PM »

 I do hope more than anything that by July 2018 the whole family will be interred together.
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« Reply #112 on: February 25, 2017, 05:07:39 AM »
Me too.  It has been confirmed that the 2007 remains are Alexei and one of the younger sisters.  Does it really matter which sister?
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« Reply #113 on: February 25, 2017, 06:13:32 AM »
One would think not. All have been accounted for, and we can rest assured that they are all together. Unfortunately that will never be enough for some people. It seems that the desire for mystery and conspiracy will persist despite fact.

As you say, whichever sister it is, all have been finally found, and will hopefully rest soon. I do just hope so very much that they will have reached this point by the summer of next year. Has there been any statement or suggestion as to this?

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« Reply #114 on: February 25, 2017, 11:36:11 AM »
I do not think it matters much which is which. They have all been found, and each is known unto God.

I have anyway read that it is by no means certain that all the remains of the original nine bodies have been assigned to the correct coffins. Quite possibly part of Alexei Trupp has been buried with Nicholas. But Trupp was literally loyal to the last, and I do not think Nicholas would have minded.

What I think is more important than these endless arguments is that there should be a proper memorial for the Romanovs whose bodies have never been found, and those of the Imperial Family's household who were shot separately from them after arriving in Ekaterinburg. I have no particular view on where that should be, but within the Peter and Paul Cathedral would seem most appropriate, given that the Imperial Family are there, and the four Grand Dukes shot in the Fortress in January 1919 have no known graves.

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« Reply #115 on: February 25, 2017, 11:37:34 AM »
Like Nicky's brother, Michael.  He still hasn't been found, right?
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« Reply #116 on: February 25, 2017, 01:51:16 PM »
Precisely.

Nor has Nicholas Johnson, who died with him.

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« Reply #117 on: February 25, 2017, 03:23:34 PM »
It seems just so sad that after all of the time that has passed, such a memorial has not been put in place. You're quite right.

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« Reply #118 on: February 25, 2017, 07:20:43 PM »
An attempt should be launched to find Michael and Nicholas Johnson.  Surely some records must exist somewhere (since anyone who was alive at that time is dead by now).
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #119 on: February 27, 2017, 05:47:27 AM »
One would think not. All have been accounted for, and we can rest assured that they are all together. Unfortunately that will never be enough for some people. It seems that the desire for mystery and conspiracy will persist despite fact.

As you say, whichever sister it is, all have been finally found, and will hopefully rest soon. I do just hope so very much that they will have reached this point by the summer of next year. Has there been any statement or suggestion as to this?

Expect a statement  within the next few months , about identities , and about re-burial .