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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2015, 03:17:02 PM »
The examination found the gene of hemophilia Anastasia Nikolaevna.
News today 10 October 2015.The examination found the gene of hemophilia Anastasia Nikolaevna. In the video, the investigator Solovyov in the archive. Expert Rogaev on expertise Alexei and Anastasia Nikolaevna.
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2673879

The article has two very interesting passages:

1) Главный вопрос: расчленили их и сожгли там, где теперь под Екатеринбургом воздвигнут монастырь Русской Православной Церкви, то есть на Ганиной Яме, куда тела отвезли в первую ночь, или все это произошло в урочище Поросенков лог, где в 1991 году вскрыли печально знаменитый настил из шпал? Именно на это место указывали воспоминания старых большевиков.

The chief question is: were the bodies dismembered and doused in acid at Ganinaya Yama, where the Russian Orthodox Church has built its monastery, or at the Piglets Meadow, where the remains under examination were found?

[I. N. -- That is, were the relics only at Gainaya Yama for a little over 24 hours, and does the huge complex which draws so many pilgrims and tourists not actually mark the place of their burial? If it doesn't, then the consequences are many...]


1) Когда я встречался со Святейшим Патриархом Алексием в 1998 году, то он сказал: " У Церкви все-таки есть сомнения. Перед тем как захоронить останки, чтобы потом не тревожить могилу,  возьмите какие-то частицы праха". И когда в 2007 году обнаружили останки Алексея и Марии,  были использованы  фрагменты, взятые в 1998 году по благословению Патриарха. Он беспокоился обо всем этом. И правильно дал совет. Это нам здорово помогло.

Vladimir Soloviev, the Procurator and Chief investigator reiterated that, at the advice of Patriarch Alexis, they had kept portions of the remains in order to preform further tests as the science of DNA advanced, and so as not to have to disturb the graves again in the SS. Peter and Paul Fortress.
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2015, 04:19:28 PM »
Is that report of haemophilia found in Anastasia but not Olga and Tatiana part of the new investigation? That result was originally reported in the previous investigation of Rogaev et al, published in 'Science" in 2009.

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2015, 10:26:20 PM »
Yes.

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2015, 12:36:08 AM »
Examination of Romanov's remnants is expected to be accomplished in February

*** First results are expected in a few days

Moscow, October 16, Interfax - Russian government expect that all research works on royal remnants and restoration of their tombs will be accomplished early in February 2016, a source in the Cabinet of Ministries said.

"Early in February we expect to accomplish the analysis, all procedures, preparation for the report of the working group and even restoration of the original look of Alexander III sarcophagus," he told the journalists on Friday.

The first results of the expertise can be issued in a few days, he said.

"Investigation successfully develops and we hope that the first results will come out in the coming days," the source said.

He also said that all archive documents on the murder of the royal family and further events were opened for the investigation.

"No dark spots are left. Full information on the murder and the following events was investigated without exception, neither historians nor the Orthodox Church have any questions," he said.

Link: http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=12410
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2015, 08:04:54 AM »
This is the update blog post I did about the new investigation: http://www.theromanovfamily.com/romanov-family-new-dna-tests-on-remains/

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2015, 02:06:58 PM »

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2015, 02:03:00 AM »

1) "And our Ella's body was not decayed, only dried up".
2) Nun Varvara's coffin is the same as Ella's "...only smaller. For you remember she was a tiny person".
 

I think her body was pretty corrupt if by all reports it had to be identified by the icon on her neck.. They did not say anything about the size or anything else for identification, they only mentioned that they identified her by that icon... Which leads me to believe it was pretty hard to tell which one was which. When contaminationhappens, the results are non-conclusive, and you can definitely tell that it's contamination, it just looks very odd, vs getting a specific DNA sequence. In this case they got a specific result - of someone else's DNA... I am like 99% sure that they had the bodies mixed up and the finger is actually Varvara's, but again, short of comparing the DNA from the finger to a known relative of Varvara, there is no way to prove that. I just hope they had the bodies sorted out in Jerusalem, so that we don't come upon the same issue again!


Here is what Lubov Millar wrote about the opening of the coffins in 1981 in preparation for the glorification:

"The remains of the two Martyrs were partially incorrupt. Saint Elizabeth's legs and feet were intact, and so was her brain within the skull. The head of Saint Barbara was well preserved. Both were clad in black monastic habit, and Saint Elizabeth's face was covered by a veil. A large cross-paraman-was on her chest. Her hand held a prayer rope, and a simple metal cross was around her neck. A few metal icons were also in the coffin."

I am hesitant to believe that the bodies were switched. I would presume that since the bodies were partially incorrupt they must have been identifiable, especially since as it states that St. Barbara's head was well preserved.
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2015, 05:57:17 AM »
October 26, 2015 11:30
Identification of the remains of the Romanovs: Petropavlovka vskroyut tomb of Alexander III

http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2679458

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2015, 08:44:30 AM »
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Here is what Lubov Millar wrote about the opening of the coffins in 1981 in preparation for the glorification:

"The remains of the two Martyrs were partially incorrupt. Saint Elizabeth's legs and feet were intact, and so was her brain within the skull. The head of Saint Barbara was well preserved. Both were clad in black monastic habit, and Saint Elizabeth's face was covered by a veil. A large cross-paraman-was on her chest. Her hand held a prayer rope, and a simple metal cross was around her neck. A few metal icons were also in the coffin."

I am hesitant to believe that the bodies were switched. I would presume that since the bodies were partially incorrupt they must have been identifiable, especially since as it states that St. Barbara's head was well preserved.

If they were intact, why did they have to be identified by an icon? I don't know if you ever saw a photo of Elizabeth's body, but believe me, it was pretty hard to recognize and would have been very easy to confuse with another woman's body...

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2015, 08:52:05 AM »
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2015, 12:55:05 PM »
I guess it makes sense to use Alexander III's remains in the testing. Their not allowed to open Maria Feodorovna's and George's was opened during the initial testing in the 90s. Obviously they can't Olga or Xenia as their buried in foreign countries so AIII is the next best.

I am assuming his tomb was once opened by the Soviets in the 20s when they were searching for jewels and other valuables or has it actually been left untouched since burial in 1894?

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2015, 12:57:39 PM »
"I am assuming his tomb was once opened by the Soviets in the 20s when they were searching for jewels ..."
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2015, 12:57:56 PM »
I guess it makes sense to use Alexander III's remains in the testing. Their not allowed to open Maria Feodorovna's and George's was opened during the initial testing in the 90s. Obviously they can't Olga or Xenia as their buried in foreign countries so AIII is the next best.

I am assuming his tomb was once opened by the Soviets in the 20s when they were searching for jewels and other valuables or has it actually been left untouched since burial in 1894?

I don't see how Alexander III's DNA will be helpful with identifying anyone else other than Nicholas II, and possibly Alexei, with Y-linked DNA...  Seems kind of impractical considering the Y-linked tests have been done already...