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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #90 on: April 08, 2016, 10:35:14 AM »
Update: http://www.theromanovfamily.com/romanov-family-remains-update-new-study-may-take-three-years/

Well I was cynical to begin with regarding the motives behind this 'new investigation' but now ..... Two to three years ? To extract DNA from just two sets of remains , and compare them to the other remains for identification purposes? Who comprises this ROC team of experts examining the remains?  Even if they are starting from scratch, the whole process should take closer to two to three months than to two to three years. I have a feeling however that the ROC wlll drag this out as long as they can , maybe even until 2018 when they can declare the remains valid and bury them on the centenary of the Romanovs deaths.  The Russian regime is allowing the ROC its moment in the sun and may well indulge them .They may even deliberately fudge the testing. I hope I am proved wrong and just being pessimistic.  Anyway , aren't the secular authorities finished with the remains and presenting their results this month ?

Well, Paul Kulikovsky's "Romanov News", No. 96, March 2016, has a long, revealing, interview with Victor Aksiuchits on this whole affair.
If you don't subscribe to Romanov News, it's on Face Book too:
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #91 on: April 08, 2016, 01:36:29 PM »
I hope this will stop the foot dragging of the ROC on the burial in the final two bodies.  Isn't it way past time for Alexei and his sister (whichever it is) to be buried with the rest of the family?
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #92 on: April 09, 2016, 04:00:24 AM »
Have there been any results in the comfirmation on the remains of Nicholas and Alexander.  I am referring to the DNATest done earlier this year?


Geniebeanie ; Nikolai has posted a link above . I cannot read it as I am not a facebooker. 
Nicholas and Alix's remains have been re-tested and their DNA compared to living relatives and to bloodstains on Nicholas' and Alexander II's  clothing - and it all matches up .That was six months ago. So that confirms, yet again , the identity of their remains and, by association, the others in the mass grave in Pigs Meadow.
As far as I am aware, the remains of Alexei and Anastasia/Maria are in the hands of the Russian Orthodox Church who are conducting their own research into their DNA . I have no idea if the secular authorities are also conducting research into those remains as well (although they have done so already in 2009 ). Or who is testing the samples taken from Alexander III's remains. Or when any of these results will be presented. All I know for sure is , archaic superstition and political manouvering continue to haunt the Romanov story a century after their deaths.

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #93 on: April 09, 2016, 09:21:46 AM »
Have there been any results in the comfirmation on the remains of Nicholas and Alexander.  I am referring to the DNATest done earlier this year?


Geniebeanie ; Nikolai has posted a link above . I cannot read it as I am not a facebooker.  


I don't have a FaceBook account either. But perhaps you could go to FaceBook and contact Paul Kulikovsky to be put on the mailing list to have it dropped into your e-mail box.
http://tinyurl.com/hpzypv8
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #94 on: April 09, 2016, 11:59:50 AM »
Have there been any results in the comfirmation on the remains of Nicholas and Alexander.  I am referring to the DNATest done earlier this year?


Geniebeanie ; Nikolai has posted a link above . I cannot read it as I am not a facebooker.  


I don't have a FaceBook account either. But perhaps you could go to FaceBook and contact Paul Kulikovsky to be put on the mailing list to have it dropped into your e-mail box.
http://tinyurl.com/hpzypv8
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Thanks Nikolai , I may well try that . Little news on the subject has filtered through for several months .

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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #95 on: April 10, 2016, 12:05:53 PM »
Have there been any results in the comfirmation on the remains of Nicholas and Alexander.  I am referring to the DNATest done earlier this year?


Geniebeanie ; Nikolai has posted a link above . I cannot read it as I am not a facebooker.  


I don't have a FaceBook account either. But perhaps you could go to FaceBook and contact Paul Kulikovsky to be put on the mailing list to have it dropped into your e-mail box.
http://tinyurl.com/hpzypv8
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Paul Kulikovsky wrote to say hat those who want to subscribe to "Romanov News" can send a request to the following address:
paulkulikovsky@yandex.ru
Please note that that is the email address used for the journal. It is not his personal e-mail address.
Issues of the journal will be sent to the address from which the request comes.
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #98 on: April 11, 2016, 02:42:10 PM »
This might be the article.
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/612news.html

Thanks DNAgenie .

Paul Gilbert's article is interesting, but that is not the one I mentioned.

It is an in-depth interview with Victor Aksiuchits, who was on the original government commission on the burial, etc.
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #99 on: April 12, 2016, 07:11:02 AM »
I wonder if they'll turn up anything new?
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #100 on: February 19, 2017, 04:46:34 PM »
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On your posting in 2016 you put forward a question as noted below about Maria or Anastasia from my understanding Anastasia and Alexei were found last and that both Anastasia and her brother Alexei DNA group was the same as their father that produces a rare genetic marker


I so hope the issue will finally be resolved and the remains of Alexei and his sister will be laid to rest and the family reunited at last!

I wonder though - the BBC article speaks of "Maria" - NOT "Maria or Anastasia". To my knowledge the question of the identification of the remains of Maria or Anastasia had not been settled but perhaps I missed out on more recent information?

Also the article talks about the possible future canonisation of Alexei and Maria. Would this be a canonisation as saints? The imperial family as a whole are already canonised as passion bearers.
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #101 on: February 19, 2017, 04:54:24 PM »
Anastasia has not been confirmed to be in the second grave, and Russia has buried one of the girls under 'Anastasia Nikolaevna' without both research teams agreeing on which youngest Grand Duchess the body belongs too, so 'Maria or Anastasia' it will remain. Articles say 'Maria' because Russia say Maria is missing, end of.
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #102 on: February 20, 2017, 11:36:33 AM »
I thought they confirmed that it was Maria, not Anastasia, who was the missing one, until her remains were found in 2007.
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #103 on: February 20, 2017, 11:45:23 AM »
I thought they confirmed that it was Maria, not Anastasia, who was the missing one, until her remains were found in 2007.

Last I heard - to Sophie's point - is that there is disagreement between the American and Russia scientists. This is unfortunate. Not because leaves any shadow of a doubt that the entire family was killed that night, but because it provides insane conspiracy theorists - hell bent on proving one or more of the Romanovs survived - just a trace of ammunition.
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Re: INVESTIGATION OF THE ROMANOV REMAINS HAS BEEN REOPENED
« Reply #104 on: February 20, 2017, 11:46:39 AM »
I thought they confirmed that it was Maria, not Anastasia, who was the missing one, until her remains were found in 2007.
I was under the similar impression that the female remains found in the second location were most likely Maria, but not confirmed.  My memory deceives me here, but I seem to recall something about the development of the collar bone of the remains found in the first grave favored the younger of the two girls.  There were not enough remains found in the second grave to make a definite comparison.  But honestly, I can't recall where I read this.
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