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OTMA on horses
« on: November 17, 2015, 03:08:08 PM »
Photos of OTMA on horses, ponies or donkeys. (Post if you have more)

 
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Re: OTMA on horses
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Re: OTMA on horses
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2015, 08:42:05 PM »
Interesting.  As little tots they learned to ride astride, then later, when grown up and riding in public, they rode side-saddle. All have been well-taught, and have a good seat on a horse (which you get from a lot of practice) but that is what we would expect of royalty and nobility of that era, for whom the horse was the natural form of transport.

Today people learn to drive cars, a skill which most of us take for granted, but it has to be learned and practiced also.

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Re: OTMA on horses
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2015, 09:12:05 PM »
Well, they wore shorter skirts when they were little and didn't really need to be lady like....just not fall off. (not that I know anything about it!)

Riding side-saddle has always looked uncomfortable and unstable to me :S

A photo of one for fun


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Re: OTMA on horses
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2015, 02:33:39 AM »
There is more to riding a horse than just not falling off. You have to be in control at all times, and you have to instruct the horse what you want it to do. The signals used on a ridden horse are called aids, given by hands, legs, feet and seat and these need to be learnt and practiced from a young age, so you can make the horse stand still, start, stop, move on or back up, turn in the desired direction, and to proceed at different paces.

The photos of the children on ponies mostly show the ponies being led by adults, as the child is not yet trusted to control the animal on her own. They are still in the learning stage. The photos of the girls as young adults riding sidesaddle show very experienced and adept riders, who now know exactly what to do, and can look elegant while doing it  You can pick that at once in the photographs and I found the whole series of great interest.

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Re: OTMA on horses
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2015, 09:02:06 AM »
I have to disagree about their riding ability. None of them looks particularly at ease on horseback, unlike Nicholas where he appears between Olga and Tatiana. Note that nearly all the pictures show them at the halt, and contrast the pictures of Dimitri at the Olympics (admittedly, he was a really top rider).

John van dear Kiste's book on Xenia has a photo of one of her sons (Feodor or Andrei) on horseback in spring 1914. He looks completely relaxed and comfortable, rather than posed for the camera.

Admittedly, being sidesaddle is not going to help.

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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2015, 09:29:08 AM »
Well, when I see them turn their horses after reviewing their regiments and gallop off side saddle, or catch up to their father and exchange big grins "isn't this awesome?", they seemed pretty at ease and having great fun to me.

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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2015, 11:37:31 AM »
There is more to riding a horse than just not falling off

I hope that wasn't aimed at me for I was only joking. (I've been riding a horse from the same age as them)

I was just guessing that the toddler not riding side saddle was least of their worries.
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Re: OTMA on horses
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2015, 02:00:28 PM »
Starik

Is there any film of the girls riding?

I ask because I haven't seen any, and, going back over the pictures a second time, most show them static. Only one (one of the circular ones) shows any of them going faster than a trot, and that is too I distinct to show any facial expression.

I'm not suggesting that the girls weren't competent riders as far as it went, just that they didn't do a lot of riding. Someone will doubtless correct me if I'm mistaken, but as far as I know riding is seldom mentioned as part of their daily lives. Nicholas certainly rode regularly on parades, but he doesn't seem to have ridden for pleasure as did George V and the Kaiser. Nicholas seems to have preferred walking to riding.

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Re: OTMA on horses
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2015, 03:48:04 PM »
Fantastic photos.  And thank you, Bryndis, for posting the color picture of the side saddle.  Truth to tell, I've never seen such a saddle - I fell off a running horse when I was young and lost all interest in riding as a result.  Still, I'd always wondered how women managed to stay sitting astride a horse side-saddle.  The picture makes it plain how they can do so.

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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2015, 04:18:39 PM »
Starik

Is there any film of the girls riding?

I ask because I haven't seen any, and, going back over the pictures a second time, most show them static. Only one (one of the circular ones) shows any of them going faster than a trot, and that is too I distinct to show any facial expression.

I'm not suggesting that the girls weren't competent riders as far as it went, just that they didn't do a lot of riding. Someone will doubtless correct me if I'm mistaken, but as far as I know riding is seldom mentioned as part of their daily lives. Nicholas certainly rode regularly on parades, but he doesn't seem to have ridden for pleasure as did George V and the Kaiser. Nicholas seems to have preferred walking to riding.

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Yes, there is film you can find on YouTube of their 1913(?) review of their regiments. You have to watch it a few times to realize who just quickly rode past. (Hint: they're the only ones side-saddle). I forget which book mentions that they practiced their riding before the big day. They were probably a little nervous because they weren't as experienced or confident as others that would be there. They may not have been masters at riding, but were familiar and competent enough to wheel their mounts around and gallop off or catch up to Nicholas on his horse and come along stride of him. It is when they are doing that that you can see the smiles the Big Pair exchange. The horses were carefully chosen (the girls may have had their favorites) but they did whatever the girls wanted them to do - and they knew what they wanted them to do: fast, slow, here and there. And all of it side-saddle. Much better than my last time on a horse!
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Re: OTMA on horses
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2015, 05:05:11 PM »
Starik, and Ann, I've seen a film clip of that occasion. I can't recall if it was on Youtube or elsewhere or if it was the exact same one you mention.Very likely it is. It was brief but very interesting.

I do recall Olga and Tatiana appearing comfortable and confident on their mounts. But there was something else quite notable in that film, namely the presence of Grand Duke Nicholas Nicholaievich, who I believe even then was Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Army and Nicholas II's cousin. He rode close by and behind the girls in what appeared to me to b a sort of protective or supportive position. Very gallant
He can be seen in photos  rows three and four of reply 2 above.
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Re: OTMA on horses
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2015, 05:12:46 PM »
Might be Tatiana

At least seems to be a woman

https://youtu.be/YbjJfn15zF8?t=146

https://youtu.be/oVkmRgWJbV8?t=8

https://youtu.be/YbjJfn15zF8?t=39 <---Tatiana

Watch the whole videos from the beginning as well.

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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2015, 05:35:01 PM »
Starik

Is there any film of the girls riding?

I ask because I haven't seen any, and, going back over the pictures a second time, most show them static. Only one (one of the circular ones) shows any of them going faster than a trot, and that is too I distinct to show any facial expression.

I'm not suggesting that the girls weren't competent riders as far as it went, just that they didn't do a lot of riding. Someone will doubtless correct me if I'm mistaken, but as far as I know riding is seldom mentioned as part of their daily lives. Nicholas certainly rode regularly on parades, but he doesn't seem to have ridden for pleasure as did George V and the Kaiser. Nicholas seems to have preferred walking to riding.

Ann

Yes, there is film you can find on YouTube of their 1913(?) review of their regiments. You have to watch it a few times to realize who just quickly rode past. (Hint: they're the only ones side-saddle). I forget which book mentions that they practiced their riding before the big day. They were probably a little nervous because they weren't as experienced or confident as others that would be there. They may not have been masters at riding, but were familiar and competent enough to wheel their mounts around and gallop off or catch up to Nicholas on his horse and come along stride of him. It is when they are doing that that you can see the smiles the Big Pair exchange. The horses were carefully chosen (the girls may have had their favorites) but they did whatever the girls wanted them to do - and they knew what they wanted them to do: fast, slow, here and there. And all of it side-saddle. Much better than my last time on a horse!

Here is probably the film that captures that day best. It starts out with Tatiana on horseback. At just after the 3:30 mark is the exchange of smiles. For all I know, those guys are chasing after Olga as she gallops off screaming "Stop this crazy horse!". But I like to not think so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm93hWTWWoU
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