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Plaoutine Family Swords Discovered in Tsarskoe-Selo House?
« on: April 26, 2016, 08:23:39 AM »
Hi! I've posted a few other threads about research that I've been doing on the Plaoutine family St. Petersburg and Tsarskoe-Selo. I was doing some searching online yesterday and ran across some kind of article talking about the discovery of some Plaoutine family swords discovered as hidden "treasure" in a house on Moscow Street in Pushkin. The page is written in Russian (which I don't speak or read at all . . . sadly), so I ran it through Google translate. It was pretty rough, but I gather that about seven swords were discovered and were identified as belonging to the Plaoutine family. Some (or all) of the swords were exhibited in a display about the Hussars. From the translation, I think that this happened in 2009. Below is the link to the web article talking about this. Is there any chance that someone who can read Russian would be willing to have a look and translate the gist of the info into English? I don't need all of the family info and awards translated, as I've got all that. Google translate handles the awards and ranks well enough for me to work that out. I would love to know the info about the house, where it was, when it was demolished, how many swords were found and when/where they were exhibited, etc.

http://tsarselo.ru/yenciklopedija-carskogo-sela/voennye-v-carskom-sele/carskoselskii-klad---o-klade-v-dome-plautina.html#.Vx9pq3qDsWI

Thanks in advance! This is really an exciting sounding piece of family info, because I have no record of this house belonging to them . . . and hidden swords are always fun!
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Re: Plaoutine Family Swords Discovered in Tsarskoe-Selo House?
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2016, 11:00:58 AM »
Fascinating story. The swords were discovered in 1948.

Moskovskaya ulitsa 7 is right next to the east entrance to the Alexander Palace!
See https://www.google.no/maps/place/Moskovskaya+ul.,+7,+Pushkin,+g.+Sankt-Peterburg,+Russland,+196601/@59.7213687,30.3969219,388m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x4696216bcc8ff5b7:0x1f7cbcfe49b58c87
The house was also number 5 and 6 at different times.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2016, 11:03:37 AM by Превед »
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Re: Plaoutine Family Swords Discovered in Tsarskoe-Selo House?
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2016, 11:09:07 AM »
Fascinating story. The swords were discovered in 1948.

Moskovskaya ulitsa 7 is right next to the east entrance to the Alexander Palace!
See https://www.google.no/maps/place/Moskovskaya+ul.,+7,+Pushkin,+g.+Sankt-Peterburg,+Russland,+196601/@59.7213687,30.3969219,388m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x4696216bcc8ff5b7:0x1f7cbcfe49b58c87
The house was also number 5 and 6 at different times.

Thanks! That was really cool about the Google Maps. Is that the actual house left there, or was the whole thing demolished and that is how the swords were discovered? They were very close to the Palace! The wife of Nikolai Plaoutine, Maria, under whose name the house was listed, was a lady in waiting to the Empress.

Some of the swords were on display in 2009, is that correct? Is there any chance that they gave information about where the exhibit was? It would be interesting to see if I could contact someone who may have a picture of the sword/s on display.



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Re: Plaoutine Family Swords Discovered in Tsarskoe-Selo House?
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2016, 03:15:19 PM »
Thanks! That was really cool about the Google Maps. Is that the actual house left there, or was the whole thing demolished and that is how the swords were discovered?

It seems like number 7 is the big, tall brick building away from the street, between the post-war apartment block at number 5 and the Imperial era mansion at number 9. Hard to tell how old it is. Looks more like a warehouse than a noble mansion! But the original house must have been demolished in 1948. The text used the word "сносе", demolition. The stash was found in a secret cache between the ground floor and the basement.

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They were very close to the Palace! The wife of Nikolai Plaoutine, Maria, under whose name the house was listed, was a lady in waiting to the Empress.
Ah, I see.

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Some of the swords were on display in 2009, is that correct? Is there any chance that they gave information about where the exhibit was? It would be interesting to see if I could contact someone who may have a picture of the sword/s on display.

It seems like it was at the Admiralty Arsenal in St. Petersburg, in the summer of 2009 and was about hussars. Only the sabre from the stash was exposed and there was some kind of problem with a photo? so that only the info text at the bottom of the page about that sabre remains from the exhibition?

The stash is preserved in готкрытом фонде оружия Государственного музея-заповедника Царское Село = public / open? trust of arms of the State Museum Preserve of Tsarskoe Selo.

« Last Edit: April 26, 2016, 03:22:57 PM by Превед »
Берёзы севера мне милы,
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: Ивы и берёзы, 1843 / 1856)

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Re: Plaoutine Family Swords Discovered in Tsarskoe-Selo House?
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2016, 08:47:31 AM »
Thanks very much! That is exactly the info that I was wanting to know. I appreciate the help and will try to see if there is a way to contact the Museum about these. :)