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King Friedrich August III of Saxony, his family and descendants
« on: January 23, 2005, 06:15:06 PM »
A bit of the topic regarding the Hohenzollerns, but does anyone have some information on the royal house of Sachsen or Saxony?
They seem to be missing in the royal marrying circles, or maybe its just me.
I have read somewhere that a Crown Princess made a scandal, but dont know what she did or who she was!
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2005, 06:26:34 PM »
Louise, a Habsburg [Tuscany] princess. She ran off with another man, left hubby & kids. Wrote her apologia, as did her paramour. Kind of racy for the Saxon royals. Interesting family and odd successions.
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2005, 06:30:59 PM »
They tended to marry in the Roman Catholic royal circles.
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2005, 06:42:26 PM »
Thank you. That would inded qualify as a scandal, sounds very juicy! So she never returned to her family? Maybe im stupid but is paramour, lover?

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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2005, 06:44:50 PM »
oh, do you know when it happend?

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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2005, 07:16:16 PM »
Fred. Aug. III & Louise div. in 1903.
She married her toy boy in 1907 & div. him in 1912.
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2005, 07:22:26 PM »
As I recall, without going back and reading the book right away, she tried to "snatch" the kids, got cought and was paid off to stay away for the rest of her life.
It is  her grandson [b. 1926]  who is head of the family now [Meissen]. {I am shaky but must be close on that date]
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Re: King Friedrich August III of Saxony, his family and descendants
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2005, 10:31:12 PM »
There was a series in Royaylty magazine (3-part) a year or so ago that caught my interest. I had never heard of her before but, yes, juicy stuff! I had to go out and get her autobiography after that. She apparently felt stifled by the stiff court and ran off with her children's tutor in 1903. There were rumors that her youngest daughter, Princess Anna Monica, was her lover's rather than her husband's since she was born after Louise left. I think she (Louise) resided in a sanatorium while pregnant and immediately after. Eventually she gave up this child, who went to live in Dresden with her father and siblings,  and basically her other children, seeing them only infrequently. She and the lover eventually broke up and, after the King divorced her, she married a composer or violinist named Enrico Toselli. She died in poverty in Brussells in 1947 and the King had abdicated in 1918 and died in 1932. It was quite the scandal and I have a series of postcards which detail how she abandoned the children and of her with her lover--really shocking for the times that it was so commented on publicly rather than hidden away. There were 3 sons (2 born the same year!) and 3 daughters.  Her eldest son George is interesting to me as he renounced his rights in 1923 and  became a Jesuit  priest and was perhaps murdered by the Nazis as he was an outspoken opponent (as were many of the Catholic royal houses it seems--Saxony, Wurttemberg, Bavaria). Another son married Sophie of Luxemburg (one of the 6 lovely daughters there) and 2 of the daughters married Hohenzollern brothers (not descended from the Kaiser--different branch). Anna Monica married Archduke Josef Franz of Austria.
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2005, 10:06:38 AM »
The home/castle of the Saxon royal family was a lovely place in the most wonderful setting. It along with the rest of Dresden and 500,000 of its citizens and refugees were destroyed in 1945. Part of the royal complex was the Taschenbergpalais, also a fantastic palace. The Taschenbergpalais has been rebuilt as a 5 star hotel. The royal palace has been or will be rebuilt but not as a hotel or residence. The nearby Semper Opera house, which some believe to the Europe's most beautiful, was destroyed as well but reconstructed with precise detail and now stands in all its glory.
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2005, 10:26:42 AM »
Are the Green Vaults in one of these palaces, or were they lost as well ?
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2005, 10:50:39 AM »
Thanks Robert. Yes, the Green Vaults were destroyed as well, but the contents were removed and stored in the mines nearby prior to the conflagration. The room has been rebuilt and contents replaced, although the Russian troops made off with a significant amount of the treasures. The Green Vault was originally in the royal residence and after the WWII was located in the Zwinger, I think (may have been another museum). Now however it is back to its original location in the newly restored royal castle, or at least soon to be. The treasures were on a global tour years ago under the name "The Splendors of Dresden". We can thank the royal family of Saxony (King Augustus mainly) for accumulating such a collection.
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2005, 11:02:44 AM »
Although I did not see the exhibit, I do have a bokk [rather lacish] from that tour. The treasures were incredible, equal to the most exquisite  Faberge I thought. From that book alone I have always wanted to see them.

The items taken by the Soviets- are they being returned in this new spirit of exchange ?
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2005, 12:16:31 PM »
The 'new spirit of exchange' is a funny one in that the top art people, who one would think live above political issues, seem to be very possessive. There is ongoing discussions about the return of items, both from Russia to Germany and Germany to Russia. Most citizens and museum hierarchy would like to restore the "ownerships" to pre 1945 status, but it is an continuing discussion that has no end in sight.

QEII was in Dresden a few months ago, her second visit.
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2005, 02:03:28 PM »
Thank you all for the pictures and info :)
Why was the succession od, and what did the treasures contain?
So nothing of the old Dresden before 1945 exist?

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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2005, 02:24:41 PM »
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  Her eldest son George is interesting to me as he renounced his rights in 1923 and  became a Jesuit  priest and was perhaps murdered by the Nazis as he was an outspoken opponent (as were many of the Catholic royal houses it seems--Saxony, Wurttemberg, Bavaria).  


grandduchessella, do you have any more information about him, please? I have been trying to find out about him for some time but have not been able to find anything.
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