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Re: NEW LETTERS about Ella and Wilhelm
« Reply #60 on: April 18, 2018, 04:05:16 AM »

'Royal princes were not properly brought up. They sowed their wild oats in all directions and usually got away with it. As in this case.'

Wilhelm's parents had certainly endeavoured to bring him up properly. If you read Rohl, his mother showered him with advice by letter, literally from everything from how to clean his teeth onwards. No doubt he reacted against it to some extent, but seducing a 13-year-old cousin would be a step too far.

And what about Queen Victoria's reaction? We only have to think of her horror at the Prince of Wales's episode with Nellie Cliften(sp.?). Wilhelm was her eldest grandson, a future Emperor. Keeping him on the straight and narrow was a most serious business.

I agree entirely with Bambi that we need to know more about the provenance of these letters.

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Re: NEW LETTERS about Ella and Wilhelm
« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2018, 04:11:45 AM »
Royal princes were not properly brought up. They sowed their wild oats in all directions and usually got away with it. As in this case.

My impression is that their "hunting grounds" usually were limited to actresses, dancers, singers etc. of the stage. It's extremely rare to find the one night stands with peasant girls, tavern waitresses, maids and common prostitutes that popular imagination often conjures up. These were the victims of the (lower) nobility and bourgeoisie in the 19th century.
Березы севера мне милы,
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: Ивы и березы, 1843 / 1856)

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Re: NEW LETTERS about Ella and Wilhelm
« Reply #62 on: April 20, 2018, 07:06:35 PM »
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My impression is that their "hunting grounds" usually were limited to actresses, dancers, singers etc. of the stage. It's extremely rare to find the one night stands with peasant girls, tavern waitresses, maids and common prostitutes that popular imagination often conjures up. These were the victims of the (lower) nobility and bourgeoisie in the 19th century.

Royal princes could set their sights much higher than that. They were more likely to seduce members of their own households (or those of their relatives) or the aristocracy, and it was not unknown for them to extend their attentions to female relatives. These episodes rarely reached the general public but they happened, and research in old family records reveals a number of these.

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Re: NEW LETTERS about Ella and Wilhelm
« Reply #63 on: April 20, 2018, 11:46:02 PM »
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research in old family records reveals a number of these.

Could you give us a few examples from these records since there's a number of such reports there?

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Re: NEW LETTERS about Ella and Wilhelm
« Reply #64 on: April 22, 2018, 04:12:33 PM »
See reply 53 above.