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The Romanov bloodline decending from 4th century AD
« on: February 12, 2017, 02:05:24 PM »
This writer has made comments before on the matter of Czar Nicholas 11 rare  DNA visible markers inherited from birth as did his son Alexei and one sister Anastasia so inherit .

Many will scoff of this writers comments but to clarify I have posted on  RBD (Royal Bloodline Descent    (on Facebook)  to show the rare genetic visible markers do exist and have been doing so since the 4Th century AD on a German King known as Clovis. 

Clovis had 4 sons one was the same name as this writer who also inherited the same visible markers as Clovis, Clovis was a Frank of German origin as was his decedents. Clovis became the first King of France and his German linage descended to royals in the Romanov /German line as well the Kaisers line and that of Queen Victoria and keeps on descending in a few royal lines today.

Some  experts have expressed their theory on the non survivors o the Romanov family of Czar Nicholas 11 and two of his children who inherited his rare gene in the form of a visible marker from birth we do not present a theory but only picture proof of such spoken about.


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Re: The Romanov bloodline decending from 4th century AD
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2017, 04:47:59 PM »
since the 4Th century AD on a German King known as Clovis.
Clovis lived in the 5th and 6th centuries. 

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Clovis had 4 sons one was the same name as this writer
The sons of Clovis were called Theuderic, Chlodomer, Childebert, and Clotaire. No Frederic or Friedrich, which is a name that only starts to appear regularly in the sources in Carolingians times (with a few earlier (Wisi-)Gothic exceptions.)

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who also inherited the same visible markers as Clovis
Nobody knows what Clovis looked like! There are no contemporary portraits of him and his buried remains in St-Denis are probably mere dust. And that goes for all the Merovingians, as far as I know. The tomb of Clovis's father Childeric I was discovered in the Austrian Netherlands in 1653 and contained loads of treasures (later stolen and melted down), but as far as I can see the bodily remains had either decomposed or were not preserved.

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Clovis was a Frank of German origin as was his decedents.
Germanic, as there was no country called Germany at the time.

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Clovis became the first King of France and his German linage descended to royals in the Romanov /German line as well the Kaisers line and that of Queen Victoria and keeps on descending in a few royal lines today.
Proving descent from the Merovingians to the Carolingians (or anyone else) is notoriously difficult. Surely there is no documented male-line descent. Likely there is female-line descent: That both the Carolingians (from Pepin the Short and onwards) and the Robertians / Capetians descend from Chrotlind, likely daughter of the Merovingian king Theuderic III seems to be one of the most accepted, but it is not 100 % sure, as there are few sources and they are often vague, especially concerning females.

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« Last Edit: February 12, 2017, 04:49:47 PM by Превед »
Березы севера мне милы,—
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Как речь безмолвная могилы,
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Re: The Romanov bloodline decending from 4th century AD
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2017, 08:32:47 PM »
Thanks to those who have provided their opinion   

1. Clovis I may have been born in the the 5th century AD, if so I stand corrected.

2.  There is a photo of Clovis statue when he first became king of France.

3. My maternal ancestors were addressed as _____von Ebert  you may or may not have noticed the name ebert noting a child then the ebert name. Clovis father was called childeric 1 such  was the same of childebert the word Child in front of the names eric or ebert.

4. I have provided the Facebook site for Royal Bloodline Descent. what is posted are facts and if those who may think the photos may be false, I can only say I leave that up to you decide.  As to the statue picture of Clovis that is available upon request showing the same inherited DNA visible markers from birth as those that can be seen at Royal Bloodline Descent  on Facebook 

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Re: The Romanov bloodline decending from 4th century AD
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2017, 12:18:02 PM »
2.  There is a photo of Clovis statue when he first became king of France.

You mean this statue, outside the cathedral in Reims? It was made in 1996, for the 1500th anniversary of Clovis's baptism. It obviously strives to be historical correct in terms of dress and outfits, but in no way did the artist have any idea what Clovis and St. Remy actually looked like.


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3. My maternal ancestors were addressed as _____von Ebert  you may or may not have noticed the name ebert noting a child then the ebert name. Clovis father was called childeric 1 such  was the same of childebert the word Child in front of the names eric or ebert.

Lol, you are charmingly etymoligically naïve. Ebert is a short form of Eberhart (eber = wild boar + hart, hard) and has nothing to do with Childebert, which is the Latinized version of Germanic Hildebert (hild, battle + bert, brilliant). Childebert was never meant to be pronounced with an English ch- sound, but with a /x/ or strong /h/ sound.

The etymology of names can be tricky: Remember that Alix is neither a short form of Alexandra nor a German form of Alice, but a medieval French spelling of Alysse / Alice, a short form of Adélaide(s), from Germanic Adalheidis.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2017, 12:20:11 PM by Превед »
Березы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и березы», 1843 / 1856)

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Re: The Romanov bloodline decending from 4th century AD
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2017, 03:16:25 PM »
For those person of great understanding who may think this writer is naive in thought I would mention Egbert a decedent of the linage inherited the same.  If one has inherited identical visible DNA markers from birth as did Clovis 1  Born 466 AD and Chilperic 11 born 672 AD as well Egbert first King of Kent England one knows they are related by kinship but not necessarily by name.

If one takes the time to look at our Facebook page  Royal Bloodline Descent  the photo facts of same ancestry is there to see, but if not just argue you points right or wrong.

Regarding those who were not born within royal linage such a myself and a few decedents of my maternal linage Ebert or von Ebert we know what DNA  markers we inherited are the same as a number of born royals past and present.

Frederic

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Re: The Romanov bloodline decending from 4th century AD
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2017, 05:02:46 PM »
For those person of great understanding who may think this writer is naive in thought I would mention Egbert a decedent of the linage inherited the same.  If one has inherited identical visible DNA markers from birth as did Clovis 1  Born 466 AD and Chilperic 11 born 672 AD as well Egbert first King of Kent England one knows they are related by kinship but not necessarily by name.

I don't deny that in some instances the name Egbert / Ekbert / Eckbert may have turned into Ebert, but in most cases it's not very likely: The first /e/ is short in Egbert / Ekbert / Eckbert, while the first /e/ is long in Eberhart and Ebert. Because vowel length plays such a crucial role in Germanic languages, Ebbert, not Ebert, would be a logical diminutive of Egbert / Ekbert / Eckbert.

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If one takes the time to look at our Facebook page  Royal Bloodline Descent  the photo facts of same ancestry is there to see, but if not just argue you points right or wrong.

Sorry, they are too ludicruous to be taken seriously and obviously your knowledge about genetics is as lacking as your knowledge about linguistics.

I suggest you give up making up your own fairytales and rather read a good Eckbert fairytale: "Der blonde Eckbert" by Ludwig Tieck.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2017, 05:08:18 PM by Превед »
Березы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и березы», 1843 / 1856)

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Re: The Romanov bloodline decending from 4th century AD
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2017, 09:20:57 PM »
 
 1.  Thank you to the person who took time to explain his understanding of the Ebert name and where it  may have originated from.

2. To the person who likes to suggest one likes fairy stories when the facts are available to see likes to show their knowledge and superiority appears to be afraid of what can be proven which would conflict with their knowledge.  Might we suggest you do not go on line to Royal Bloodline Descent on Facebook because that web page only shows the facts as they really are and that would conflict with your knowledge and possibly hurt ones feelings. 
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Re: The Romanov bloodline decending from 4th century AD
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2017, 01:01:10 AM »
This vonEbert whoever it is, is another fantasist, who believes in fairy tales, like the "Anastasia" survivor theorists. Don't waste your time engaging this entity. It only believes what it wishes to believe and will grasp onto any detail that suits, rather than analyze the facts. I gave up on this lunatic ages ago and suggest you do the same. Let us face it, all it can do is send you to a "Facebook" page, which is reliable how? It isn't. So judge accordingly.

It wants to believe only what it wants to believe. Reality is meaningless to it.

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Re: The Romanov bloodline decending from 4th century AD
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2017, 08:33:02 AM »

Thank you for your judgment call and if that is what you believe please don't change it.  As to Anastasia she was shot with her family and did not survive.  In your suggested comments this writer is another fantasist who believes in fairy tales that is your right to suggest. Being that you have no wish to see what has been spoken of I can only say those who may take time to view Royal Bloodline Descent on Facebook can make up their own mind,  By the way there is a four in one photo page of the Romanov daughters included on our web page, there you can see Anastasia picture bottom right hand corner which shows the rare genetic visible earlobe markers like her father and her brother so inherited.

Frederic von Ebert


This vonEbert whoever it is, is another fantasist, who believes in fairy tales, like the "Anastasia" survivor theorists. Don't waste your time engaging this entity. It only believes what it wishes to believe and will grasp onto any detail that suits, rather than analyze the facts. I gave up on this lunatic ages ago and suggest you do the same. Let us face it, all it can do is send you to a "Facebook" page, which is reliable how? It isn't. So judge accordingly.

It wants to believe only what it wants to believe. Reality is meaningless to it.

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Re: The Romanov bloodline decending from 4th century AD
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2017, 09:18:10 AM »
Yes, FA, he may be a raging looney, but I think the Childebert = Child Ebert was a rather funny, ingenious folk etymology! Notwithstanding that it seems to imply backwards descent, i.e. that the Merovingians were his children! Perhaps that's the new fashion in claimants club: Abandon the concept of linear, chronological time and claim you are Anastasia's great grandmother who travelled back = forwards in time and came to her rescue, dragging her out of that basement by her special earlobe? Or gave the Merovingians a cool hair cut and some Viagra, so that they avoided going extinct? :-)

It also baffles me why these people don't put more worth on works by Romantic poets like the above-mentioned Ludwig Tieck, who professed to be seers of mysterious things, ideas, archetypes, webs of interconnection, past, present and future. Even we rational people can agree that the Brothers Grimm knew something about the Anastasia archetype. :-)



« Last Edit: February 14, 2017, 09:23:26 AM by Превед »
Березы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и березы», 1843 / 1856)

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Re: The Romanov bloodline decending from 4th century AD
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2017, 01:18:57 PM »
Of course, the great majority of people in France, Germany and the Low  Countries are probably descended from the Merovingians, whether they have distinctive ear lobes or not. After all, it's estimated that over one-third of English people are descended from Edward I, and the Merovingians were over 700 years earlier -  over 20 generations.

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Re: The Romanov bloodline decending from 4th century AD
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2017, 04:08:18 PM »
I wonder how our bonkers Junker von Ebert would explain that the vile Socialist Friedrich Ebert became president of Gemany in 1919 because the Junkers of the Merovingianly earlobed Wilhelm II shipped off Lenin to Russia to prick more than just the earlobes of the Romanovs. Perhaps because he too (Friedrich Ebert) probably was a descendant of the Merovingians, as you point out, Ann!

Березы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и березы», 1843 / 1856)

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Re: The Romanov bloodline decending from 4th century AD
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2017, 06:04:28 PM »
People who you call raging loonie do not swear but keeps their understanding on a balanced level. that is called manners and proper upbringing.  You may ask yourself who does this person think they are. I know who I am, might you.

You show a cuddly warm attitude with a protective mind to suggest to others what they should not do. I congratulate you on your fine personality.


In closing thank you for your input.


Frederic von Ebert




Yes, FA, he may be a raging looney, but I think the Childebert = Child Ebert was a rather funny, ingenious folk etymology! Notwithstanding that it seems to imply backwards descent, i.e. that the Merovingians were his children! Perhaps that's the new fashion in claimants club: Abandon the concept of linear, chronological time and claim you are Anastasia's great grandmother who travelled back = forwards in time and came to her rescue, dragging her out of that basement by her special earlobe? Or gave the Merovingians a cool hair cut and some Viagra, so that they avoided going extinct? :-)

It also baffles me why these people don't put more worth on works by Romantic poets like the above-mentioned Ludwig Tieck, who professed to be seers of mysterious things, ideas, archetypes, webs of interconnection, past, present and future. Even we rational people can agree that the Brothers Grimm knew something about the Anastasia archetype. :-)
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Re: The Romanov bloodline decending from 4th century AD
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2017, 04:26:39 PM »

Clovis was born in 466 AD  and not in the 5th or 6 centuries as suggested by another. There is a picture of Clovis been ordained and this writer can supply such photo where it shows the rare royal bloodline partial pierce on his earlobes.


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who also inherited the same visible markers as Clovis
Nobody knows what Clovis looked like! There are no contemporary portraits of him and his buried remains in St-Denis are probably mere dust. And that goes for all the Merovingians, as far as I know. The tomb of Clovis's father Childeric I was discovered in the Austrian Netherlands in 1653 and contained loads of treasures (later stolen and melted down), but as far as I can see the bodily remains had either decomposed or were not preserved.

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Clovis was a Frank of German origin as was his decedents.
Germanic, as there was no country called Germany at the time.

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Clovis became the first King of France and his German linage descended to royals in the Romanov /German line as well the Kaisers line and that of Queen Victoria and keeps on descending in a few royal lines today.
Proving descent from the Merovingians to the Carolingians (or anyone else) is notoriously difficult. Surely there is no documented male-line descent. Likely there is female-line descent: That both the Carolingians (from Pepin the Short and onwards) and the Robertians / Capetians descend from Chrotlind, likely daughter of the Merovingian king Theuderic III seems to be one of the most accepted, but it is not 100 % sure, as there are few sources and they are often vague, especially concerning females.

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Re: The Romanov bloodline decending from 4th century AD
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2017, 04:45:44 PM »
You have just destroyed any hope of credibility you may have hoped to have had.

"Clovis was born in 466 AD  and not in the 5th or 6 centuries"

Major problem Mr. "alleged expert", The 5th century is the time period from 401 to 500 in accordance with the Julian calendar in Anno Domini / Common Era. THUS 466 is the 5th century.  If you do not possess even this minimally basic knowledge, then you fail utterly to demonstrate any skill whatsoever, tainting all of your blather.