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Re: Were the Jews Responsible for the Russian Revolution/Bolsehvik Coup?
« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2017, 10:58:52 PM »
Thanks for your input.
Regarding the English translation, I'm afraid I have no other choice since I don't know French, but I'll keep aware of your comments while reading.

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Re: Were the Jews Responsible for the Russian Revolution/Bolsehvik Coup?
« Reply #61 on: February 06, 2017, 04:01:47 PM »
It's been awhile but I believe I read that the bookstores in the last decades of the USSR were full of anti-Semitic literature. These stores did not sell books that were not cleared by a censor. Also in this period if you were a really smart Jew and wanted to be a scientist you could pretty much forget it in the USSR. The powers that be would stop you and unlike tsarist Russia going to a foreign university was out of the question. This hurt the USSR technology wise ect.

Correction I should have said about half the generals in the NKVD in 1936 were Jewish. Source my notes from the book "Bloodlands"

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Re: Were the Jews Responsible for the Russian Revolution/Bolsehvik Coup?
« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2017, 05:09:19 PM »
Another Jew that played a major role in enabling the Bolsheviks to seize and hold on to power was Olof Aschberg according to the book "History's Greatest Heist"  he was the Bolsheviks banker. One also must point out the book "Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution" points out some Wall Streeters also helped the Bolsheviks out fiscally. The book "The Russian Revolution" R Pipes points out that in 1918 the German generals wanted to get rid of Lenin but wealthy German industrialists and bankers with the German foreign ministry stopped them. Note:As far as I can tell none of the people mentioned in the later two books who helped the Bolsheviks were Jewish.

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Re: Were the Jews Responsible for the Russian Revolution/Bolsehvik Coup?
« Reply #63 on: March 18, 2017, 12:27:13 AM »
I think the American Jewish banker Jacob Schiff also assisted the Bolsheviks. Earlier on he also assisted the Japanese against Tsarist Russia.

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Re: Were the Jews Responsible for the Russian Revolution/Bolsehvik Coup?
« Reply #64 on: March 18, 2017, 06:08:16 PM »
I think the book "wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution" says Schiff did not help the Bolsheviks he did help the Japanese get loans during the Russo-Japanese War.

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Re: Were the Jews Responsible for the Russian Revolution/Bolsehvik Coup?
« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2017, 11:45:37 PM »
The Tsars' negative attitude to the Jews didn't do them any good. Both Witte and Stolypin, I believe, warned Nicholas II about that, but his mind was closed and completely taken in by the anti-Semite reactionaries.

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Re: Were the Jews Responsible for the Russian Revolution/Bolsehvik Coup?
« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2017, 01:24:02 AM »
"Les Derniers Années de la Cour de Tzarskoe Selo" Gen. Alexandre Spiridovitch, Payot Paris.  Vol. 2, Ch. 19
Prince Vladimir Petrovitch Metchersksi, Chamberlain of His Majesty's Court, owner and editor in chief of the newspaper "Grazdanyin" ("The Citizen" weekly monarchist newspaper in Petersburg, pretending to be reactionary) was dead.
   The Prince had lived in the country house of Nicholas F. Bourdukov, Equerry to the Court, who had been his great and loyal friend.
   The death of the Prince was an event.  With his passing a man disappeared who, thanks to his exclusive position, could freely criticize, by means of his famous newspaper, any  he wished of the high functionaries of the State and their actions, including the Ministers.  It was a well known fact in Russia that the Emperor himself was a longstanding reader of the "Grazdanyin".
   The Prince was a great man of politics, a great person under the last two Emperors.  He died at the age of 77.
   Prince Metcherski loved Emperor Nicholas II as both the monarch and the son of Alexander III, with whom he had had a great friendship since his youth, starting when Alexander Alexandrovitch was still Tsarevitch.
   In the Prince's office one could see a portrait photograph of Tsar Alexander III with the following dedication: "In memory of past years and of our evenings. Your devoted, Alexander."
   And on the photograph of Emperor Nicholas II, given to the Prince on January 14, 1910, was inscribed:
"To the indefatigable combatant for the maintenance of the historical foundations necessary for the continuing development of the Russian State."
   The Emperor respected the Prince as a friend of his father, great patriot and personal friend.  He often desired to know the Prince's opinions on political matters, but always guarded his independence.  The Emperor called him once "the Minister without a portfolio." However, there were two matters which the Emperor prohibited the Prince from touching: the Jewish question and external politics

"Why are you going to ask these questions as the last ones?"
   "It is because they are the most serious ones" the Prince replied, "I am going to everything possible to tell the Emperor my thoughts, and my opinions. But at the same time I am afraid that the Emperor will be displeased that I have ventured into the forbidden circle.  You know well that every time I have tried to touch on the question of the Jews, the Emperor has become angry and for some time afterward would change the tone of his letters written to me. But, I have very little time left to live, and I must tell my beloved Tsar the truth one last time.  I greatly love our Minster of the Interior, Maklakov, but he is quite wrong on that matter.  He is very young and quite presumptuous, and I will speak out this time against him.  I will warn him.  His obstinance is harmful to the Emperor.  Many measures against the Jews must be eliminated as useless, fictitious, unreasonable and quite harmful to the Supreme Power." ....
In the car, alone with just his friend, the Prince sighed profoundly.
   "You don't know, my friend, how difficult it was to speak to the Emperor…Even thinking about that reception is painful for me...I spoke about the Jewish question. The Emperor listened to me without interrupting me and with great attention.  From time to time, in his kind face, I saw the shadow of displeasure.  I did everything I could to force him to respond to me.  But he kept silent.  Knowing well his intelligence, the fineness of his spirit, I was wounded that he did not want to face the evidence.  When I had finished with the Jewish question, the Emperor thought for several minutes, looked me fixed in the eyes and slowly smiled as if he wanted to soften his response, said to me: 'Excuse me, my old friend, but I am not in agreement with you.  I thank you very much for the advice which you have given me and which has been dictated by your devotion to me, by the love for our Mother Russia, but…you know that it is often that I do not wish to follow your advice.  I must take into consideration many other circumstances which you do not know about, which escape your attention…My responsibility towards Russia is so great that I do not have the right to consider a question of such great importance to the State on just one side alone, although I should find it personally desireable. You do not know all of these circumstances which I do, which I do not have the right to ignore, and which, quite to the contrary, I must take into consideration…"



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Re: Were the Jews Responsible for the Russian Revolution/Bolsehvik Coup?
« Reply #67 on: April 12, 2017, 05:10:50 PM »
Here are some more examples of Russian anti-Semitism ect

The book Prologue to the Revolution Michael Chernivsky minutes of the council of minsters these men are shocked by the Pogroms committed by the Russian army but then go on to say that Jews control the world banking system ect!? One must point out that the Russian army wasn't the only army behaving badly in Poland. The Austrian army also behaved rather badly as well.  The book Nationalizing the Russian Empire in discussing the 1915 Pogroms in Poland  mentions the Cossacks were the worst offenders but it also mentions time where citizens, police, soldiers and even on a few occations Cossacks intervened to stop them.

Alexander III in the book Pogrom was sad and disturbed that soldiers preferred to attack Jews instead of the Pogromists. Was shocked to hear of an officer taking part in a Pogrom. When he read that military court were too indulgent towards Pogromists he wrote "This is unforgivable!"


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Re: Were the Jews Responsible for the Russian Revolution/Bolsehvik Coup?
« Reply #68 on: June 20, 2017, 10:46:40 PM »
I was about to begin a new topic on what I'm about to say, but thought that it could well fit in here.

Mind you, this is a very sensitive issue since I have known many survivors of the Holocaust. I therefore find it difficult to contend with the knowledge that Jewish people participated in so many acts of brutality.

I've just completed the thread on Soviet Atrocities, which expresses much anger felt by many that the Holocaust seems to overshadow many other horrors not any less brutal, such as those perpetrated by the likes of Lenin and Stalin.

Without trying to make excuses for anyone, I would just like to draw your attention to the fact that many of the later Soviet dissidents were Jews  - i.e. Anatoly Sheranski and Ida Nudal (sp?) who suffered greatly for their beliefs under the totalitarian Soviet Government. Moreover, a number of distinguished writers who currently expose the horrors of the Soviet Union are Jewish such as Richard Pipes and, if I'm not mistaken, Orlando Figes.

I'm in a rush right now for work, but just had to get this. The Atrocities thread has kept me up thinking all night