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Re: Operation Rod of Iron: AU fic
« Reply #180 on: July 11, 2018, 06:12:16 PM »
The GAZ was actually what I meant; I had read that the Ford Model A was a collaboration between Ford and the USSR.  Was it sold under the GAZ label in Russia?
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Re: Operation Rod of Iron: AU fic
« Reply #181 on: July 12, 2018, 06:07:37 PM »
Could be, I suppose.
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Re: Operation Rod of Iron: AU fic
« Reply #182 on: July 18, 2018, 11:16:25 PM »
looking up the GAZ factory online Ford and the USSR made an agreement to build a factory in Russia.

I would say that Alexandra's jewelry helped pay for it.

Some American mostly of Russian ancestry went to Russia to work at this plant. The ones still there in the late 1930s where either sent to the Gulag where many did not survive. The US embassy did nothing even though the people were US citizens.

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Re: Operation Rod of Iron: AU fic
« Reply #183 on: July 26, 2018, 11:35:08 AM »
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The ones still there in the late 1930s where either sent to the Gulag where many did not survive. The US embassy did nothing even though the people were US citizens.

Well, that's what happens when you got to work in a criminal regime like the Soviet Union, especially with a thug like Stalin in charge.
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Re: Operation Rod of Iron: AU fic
« Reply #184 on: July 28, 2018, 08:48:49 AM »
The US Ambassador to the USSR 1936-38 was a man named Joesph E Davies he can kindly be described as a "usefull idiot" as Lenin would say see his wiki bio and try not to be totally amazed at his stupidity.

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Re: Operation Rod of Iron: AU fic
« Reply #185 on: July 30, 2018, 12:38:30 PM »
Sadly, there were a lot of such "useful idiots' in the first half of the 20th Century.
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Re: Operation Rod of Iron: AU fic
« Reply #186 on: August 13, 2018, 05:18:56 PM »
You can't really blame the US workers who went to the USSR to work at GAZ and to their deaths. The US was in the middle of the Great depression and they were unemployed so they went to work in the USSR in order to survive and probably thought they will be back in the US in a few years time. I would like to point out a lot of what was written about the USSR in the early 1930s in the US was positive. After all Walter Duranty of the New York Times who won a Pulizer prize for his reporting in the USSR at this time saying  what a great place it was ect. See the book "Harvest of Sorrow" Robert Conquest.

As for Ambassador Davies he wrote a book about his experiences "Mission to Moscow" with the approval of President Roosevelt that praised Stalin highly ect. This book was a best seller and was made into a movie. One sometimes get the impression Roosevelt didn't really understand what sort of monster Stalin was.

Then besides all the "usefull idiots" there were a number of Americans who spied for the Soviets:
Venona Decoded Soviet Espionage in America TJ Haynes and H Kerr or see Operation Venona on wki
The Sword and the Shield Chris Andrew & Vasili Mitrokoiv

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Re: Operation Rod of Iron: AU fic
« Reply #187 on: August 13, 2018, 05:56:41 PM »
Don't forget Armand Hammer, who met with the Soviets and was given contracts and who served as the conduit to raise Western cash for the USSR by importing and selling off Romanov memorabilia and Imperial Russian antiques from the Soviet Antikvariat. "The Hammer Galleries" toured department stores all across the US in the 1920s and '30's.

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Re: Operation Rod of Iron: AU fic
« Reply #188 on: August 20, 2018, 05:25:12 PM »
The book "History's greatest heist" Sean Mcmeekin  also deals with how the Bolsheviks laundered there loot.

The GAZ built by Ford and AMO/Zis/Zil restored by A.J. Brandt Co turned out hundreds of thousands of trucks with out which the red army could not have fought WW II/GPW

There were people who tried to tell the world what monsters Lenin and Stalin were but they were often dismissed as liars or being pro-Nazi.

There have been rumors that US POWs from the Korean and Vietnam wars ended up in the USSR for intelligence purposes. We will never know the full story because I have read that a lot of the old gulag and Cheka records were destroyed.

The Wall Street Journal I believe pointed out some months ago that first lady Eleanor Roosevelt never wrote or said a bad word about Stalin. I believe they also pointed out some of her actions were a cause of a lot of high blood pressure in the US.

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Re: Operation Rod of Iron: AU fic
« Reply #189 on: September 15, 2018, 06:17:35 PM »
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There have been rumors that US POWs from the Korean and Vietnam wars ended up in the USSR for intelligence purposes.

If this is true, then some of them could still be alive today.
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