Handicapped German Princes and Princesses

FYI

I know rather a lot about the Prussians and the princely hohenzollerns - as I am an expert on Queen Victoria's descendants, and have written several books.  Moreover,  I also happen to know members of both families - so am well familiar with family names, titles, etc. 

Dear Marlene

Im sorry if i insolted a professional an expert on Queen Victoria´s descendance.

onlyest reason why I talk about this subject is, that I m related with Hohenzollern family and Im origin german baltic- old reglement, how is proper to call royal family and how it must be is still existing. and in ewery country they have diferenties.

with christmas greetings:

V.A.v.W

Somewhat off topic on my part.

The Princely Family of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen and the Royal House of Prussia are assumed to originate from the two sons of Count Friedrich of Hohenzollern (or Zollern)(died about 1200).

The younger son Conrad (Konrad) (died about 1260) being the ancester of the Royal House of Prussia.

Along the way (in 1417) this line was invested with the Electorate of Brandenburg.

Which in 1701 culminated in the title King in Prussia (later King of of Prussia).

Were the very early ancesters of the Royal line titled Prince/Princess of Hohenzollern until it was elevated to Electorate of Brandenburg, and did they then become Prince/Princess of  Brandenburg until the Kingdom of (in/of) Prussia came into being in 1701?

Thanks

Allan Raymond

      

I am totally right. 

You provided the link to the PRINCELY FAMILY  - Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen --where the head of the family is the Fürst von Hohenzollern - and members of the family are princes or princesess of Hohenzollern.  (and have the legal surname Prinz or Prinzessin von Hohenzollern.

The former Kaiserliche branch - descendants of the Kings of Prussia and German Emperors -- are von Preussen not von Hohenzollern (the House name is Hohenzollern),  but the title is Prince or Princess of Prussia, and the legal surname is Prinz or Prinzessin von Preussen.


The royal house is the House of Hohenzollern with the title Prince or Princess of Prussia 
and the rank HRH

The princely house is Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen with the title Prince or Princess of Hohenzollern and the rank HSH

Please visit www.preussen.de

The Princely Family of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen seem to have done vey well for themselves.

TampaBay

I hadn't realized she was born after her father died. That's so sad but her mother must've felt it a blessing to have this child after losing her husband (in an accident during military maneuvres) at such a young age--he was just 33. From the royal forums:

"Cornelie Cécile is, to quote Marlene Eilers Koenig 'Severely retarded'. Sam Dotson once described it like this (well he is a doctor): 'became neurologically handicapped as the result of a perinatal infection, encephalitis caused by cytorhegalovinus"

Here's a picture of her brother George Friedrich:

http://www.nettyroyal.nl/images/georgfr.jpg

Are either of these children close to their Vladimir relations? Not only were Kira and Vladimir siblings but Vladimir's daughter (and heir) married into one of the Hohenzollern branches.

hey everybody !

can someone make a list of german princes (or european) who suffered from porphyria like ther ascendant King George III of Great-Britain?
Do you know other princes affected by handicaps?

I already know that HR&IH the crown prince had one daughter (Princess Alexandrine of Preussen)
I must'n't have been the unique case...

Thanks !

As far as I know Alexandrine suffered from Down-Syndrom, but Charlotte of Prussia and her daughter Feodora had prophyria.

Prince Max of Erbach (son of Marie Battenberg) suffered from some handicap (I don't know its name specifically) that left him unable to communicate or move on his own. He didn't die as an infant but he died at a fairly young age--14.

Of course, Kaiser Wilhelm suffered from a deformed arm.

Princess Adelheid ('Adi') of saxe-Meiningen (1891-1971), who married Prince Adlabert, son of Kaiser Wilhelm, seems to have suffered from porphyria, as does her sister Feodora (1890-1972), who was married to Wilhelm Ernst, last Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach. They both had recurrent bad health with mental disturbance.

Both Ernest Augustus I of Hanover and George V of Hanover (his son) were blind.  George became blind as a teenager, and his father in his later adulthood. 

Augustus Frederick, son of Prince Augustus, Duke of Sussex, who himself was the son of George III of the UK, very likely suffered from multiple sclerosis.  The disease was not identified during his lifetime, but symptoms he recorded in his diary over many years are very consistent with the disease.

Although not German princes, Prince Erik of Sweden (1889-1918) and Prince John of the UK (1905-1919) both had disabilities.  Both Princes were epileptic; Erik was mentally disabled and John likely had Asperger's Syndrome. 

And way back in the 13th century, Henry III of England had a deaf daughter, Katherine, who died at the age of three.

I've decided that Ferfried belongs in this thread.Definitely!

He was at it again,the family member all can do without.

This walking embarrasment of a Hohenzollern was found drunk as a skunk in someones holiday home yesterday.
(Seriously,one wonders who threw that brick to his kopf once.....)

They first thought he passed away,only to find out he just passed out.....

Friedrich Wilhelm IV. of Prussia as well as Kings Otto and Ludwig II of Bavaria were mentally disabled. FW IV. in his later adulthood

Prince Max of Erbach (son of Marie Battenberg) suffered from some handicap (I don't know its name specifically) that left him unable to communicate or move on his own. He didn't die as an infant but he died at a fairly young age--14.

Of course, Kaiser Wilhelm suffered from a deformed arm.

I think Wilhelm's arm was not actually a deformity. It was an injury during his birth process that never repaired properly and did not develop.

I believe there has been some study done that suggests Wilhelm II, last Prussian Kaiser, may even have suffered some brain damage at birth.  the birth was certainly horrific, both he and his mother nearly died, and Wilhelm was actually deprived of oxygen and did take some minutes to breath.  my family had this happen with my own sister and she sustained brain damage also.  from his behavior and out of control actions, i would certainly think something was physically wrong with the man.

Alexandrine of Prussia:


Deutsches Bundesarchiv (German Federal Archive)


from preussen.de

She had down-syndrome and her family luckily didn't try to hide her. It went without saying that she was a member like any other of the royal / imperial family. She grew up in Potsdam and Oels with her family. From 1932 - 1934 she attended a special school for kids with cognitive and physical problems in Jena, called Trüpersche Sonderschule. In 1935 she went back to Potsdam and in 1936 she moved to Niederpöcking in Bavaria and stayed there during WWII. Afterwards, she moved into a little house at Lake Starnberg where she lived until her death in 1980.

Princess Cornelie-Cecilie of Prussia at the wedding of Georg-Friedrich of Hohenzollern with Princess Sophie of Isenburg in August 2011

Friedrich Wilhelm IV became disabled in the late 1850s as the result of a series of strokes. Previously he had been a highly talented man who designed various buildings in Potsdam (he said he would far rather have been an architect than a king). They include one of the churches, which has in it a magnificent Byzantine mosaic discovered when he was travelling in southern Italy as Crown Prince. Hearing that the church the mosaic was in was about to be dismolished, FW bought the mosaic, had it dismantled and crated up, and designed a new church to house it.

I'm no expert on architecture, but FW's buildings are very pleasant - he was clearly a man with excellent taste.

Ann