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Offline Jeremiah

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Hi,

I don’t know whether this issue has been brought up before here. If it did, then please let me know the thread that dealt with it, because I was not able to find it.

So, the question is about an article I came across on Royal Foibles, May 6, 2015, which examines the “involvement” of Queen Mary in the death of Nicholas and his Family. From the article:

“According to Lady Colin Campbell’s recent biography of the Queen Mother, the meanest girl of all toward Princess Mary among her extended family while she was growing up was Princess Alix of Hesse-Darmstadt, later Empress Alexandra Feodorovna of Russia. Mary and her itinerant family often spent holidays in Hesse-Darmstadt, where putting her in her lowly place was among Princess Alix’s favourite pastimes.”

Later on, the article gives an account by Prince Edward, according to which it was his mother the Queen that insisted on not accepting the Romanov family in UK. So, according to the article, Mary was actually giving a payback to Alexandra for what she had “suffered” from her in the past.

For the article: http://www.royalfoibles.com/the-british-queen-partially-to-blame-for-the-murder-of-tsar-nicholas-ll-and-his-family/

Thanks.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2017, 12:22:12 PM by Jeremiah »

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I should have said that my question is mainly with regard to Alix. Knowing that she has always been a shy person -especially when she was young- and so delicate in her manners, it really made me feel strange to read that she was “mean” toward Princess Mary at that young age. Behaving in the manner described by Lady Colin it’s really not the kind of Alexandra I have come to known.

Does anyone know why was such a thing said about Alexandra?

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“According to Lady Colin Campbell’s recent biography of the Queen Mother, the meanest girl of all toward Princess Mary among her extended family while she was growing up was Princess Alix of Hesse-Darmstadt, later Empress Alexandra Feodorovna of Russia. Mary and her itinerant family often spent holidays in Hesse-Darmstadt, where putting her in her lowly place was among Princess Alix’s favourite pastimes.”

Where exactly in Hesse-Darmstadt did the Tecks holiday? Certainly not in any of the grand-ducal residences, as they were not direct and close family. Not in Darmstadt, which was not a fashionable holiday destination for anyone. In any of the spa towns in the Hessian hinterland, like Bad Nauheim? I didn't think the Tecks could afford those fashionable watering holes and even if they did, how could little Princess Alix (5 years younger than Princess May) stuck in Darmstadt, Romrod or Windsor influence how her distant morganatic cousin was treated in any of the spa towns in her father's grand duchy? I think the blogger and / or Lady Colin Campbell confuse the Tecks with the Battenbergs at Heiligenberg outside Darmstadt or just invent a story to shock.

Do note that this blogger in the comments below the post discredits herself by claiming that King George V cavorted with prostitutes in Bognor Regis! And she has little understanding of the complex nuances of German princely politics when she claims the Hessian and other German royal families objected to Wilhelm II as a "nouveau-riche emperor".
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Where exactly in Hesse-Darmstadt did the Tecks holiday? Certainly not in any of the grand-ducal residences, as they were not direct and close family. Not in Darmstadt, which was not a fashionable holiday destination for anyone.
There is a mention in Alix's letter to her brother Ernie on 22June/4 July 1889, at Darmstadt, that 'Uncle Francis Teck [May's father] comes tomorrow.'
The next reference to the Tecks in Alix's letters is on 5/17 Jan 1892. 'Darling Eddy is no more, it is too awful. One cannot believe it, it seems like a horrible dream. Poor May - how broken she must be - such short joy and happiness it is perfectly terrible.... The Dr. has forbidden Papa to go to the funeral, as every excitement & great agitation, as well as the journey, is bad for him.'

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Has anyone else come across other incidents from Alix’s young age that suggest she was “mean” in the way she was described above?

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I would say "no" in answer to your question. I'm sure Alix could be mean on occasion - she was only human - but I've never heard her described this way. Both the Hesses and the Tecks were rather poor by royal standards. Those responsible for the murder of the Imperial Family were the Bolsheviks.

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Both the Hesses and the Tecks were rather poor by royal standards.

The Tecks, as morganatic hanger-ons and minor appanagists were not on the same financial level as the Hesses, reigning royalty. It makes more sense to say that while neither were royal upper class like the Romanovs and the immediate British RF, the Hesses were royal middle class and the Tecks were poor / "on welfare".
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Those responsible for the murder of the Imperial Family were the Bolsheviks.

Of course it is the Bolsheviks who hold the full responsibility for the murder of the family, but how would you explain Edward’s story of being an eye-witness of the incident when Queen Mary denied granting asylum to them? Gore Vidal writes that he was told by George V’s first son himself, Prince Edward, about his account as an eye-witness of the scene. Nevertheless, Vidal concludes that Queen Mary’s role in deciding the fate of her imperial relatives was ultimately based on justifiable self-preservation (out of fear for a revolution in England) rather than solely upon malice.

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I'm sure the British Royal Family later regretted not allowing the Romanovs asylum. At the time of the February Revolution, Empress Alexandra was very much disliked in most foreign countries, including Britain. She was not then regarded as a victim of the Revolution as she would be later.

But I consider it imperative that the responsibility for the murder of the Imperial Family be placed where it belongs - on the Bolsheviks, who ultimately killed 10s of millions of Russian people.

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I'm sure the British Royal Family later regretted not allowing the Romanovs asylum. At the time of the February Revolution, Empress Alexandra was very much disliked in most foreign countries, including Britain. She was not then regarded as a victim of the Revolution as she would be later.
When the question of the British receiving the Russian royal family in Britain was first proposed, it was a political question, and was treated as such. It was not until later that King George and Queen Mary realized that the family was in physical danger, and by then it was too late to do anything.

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how would you explain Edward’s story of being an eye-witness of the incident when Queen Mary denied granting asylum to them? Gore Vidal writes that he was told by George V’s first son himself, Prince Edward, about his account as an eye-witness of the scene.
There would have been more than one discussion and many such scenes, as the situation developed. There is little doubt that King George did ask for the British govt's first invitation to be withdrawn, and it may well have been at Queen Mary's instigation as she probably read the papers, while George probably didn't. But at that stage it was a political question, and family loyalty didn't come into it.

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Lord Stamfordham, in transmitting the views of George V to the politicians, wrote that “from all he [George V] hears and reads in the press, the residence in this country of the ex-Emperor and Empress would be strongly resented by the public, and would undoubtedly compromise the position of the King and Queen..."  It seems very unlikely that George V wouldn't have read any newspapers, it was just the sort of thing a person of his class and views would have done, and moreover, the King received "letters from people in all classes of life, known or unknown to him, saying how much that matter is being discussed, not only in clubs, but by working men, and that the Labour Members in the House of Commons are expressing adverse opinions to the proposal [to offer asylum to the Imperial family]."  George V may have discussed the matter with Queen Mary, but it hardly needed her instigating a change of mind - he was obviously getting it from all sides.