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Re: A New AU fic - title, ideas, help with accuracy?
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2017, 08:03:56 AM »
I can imagine a touching, romantic scene where Princess Bathildis sings the later Czech national anthem with NII listening secretly and half understanding what she is singing:

Kde domov můj? Kde domov můj?
Voda hučí po lučinách,
bory šumí po skalinách,
v sadě skví se jara květ,
zemský ráj to na pohled!
A to je ta krásná země,
země česká domov můj,
země česká domov můj!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0YavuZe_DQ

Russian:
Где дом мой? Где дом мой? = Gde dom moy? Gde dom moy?
Вода журчит по лугам, = Voda zhurchit po lugam,
Боры шумят по скалам, = Bory shumyat po skalam,
В саду сияет весны цветок, = V sadu siyet vesny tsvetok,
Это рай земной на вид! = Eto ray zemnoy vid!
И это та прекрасная земля, = I eto ta prekrasnaya zemlya,
Земля чешская, дом мой, = Zemlya cheskaya, dom moy,
Земля чешская, дом мой. = Zemlya cheskaya, dom moy.

And they end up singing the German version in a duet:
Wo ist mein Heim, mein Vaterland?
Wo durch Wiesen Bäche brausen
Wo auf Felsen Wälder sausen
Wo ein Eden uns entzückt
Wenn der Lenz die Fluren schmückt:
Dieses Land so schön vor allen
Böhmen ist mein Heimatland.
Böhmen ist mein Heimatland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGT1-19_uU8&t=

English translation:
Where is my home, where is my homeland,
Water roars across the meadows,
Pinewoods rustle among crags,
The garden is glorious with spring blossom,
Paradise on earth it is to see.
And this is that beautiful land,
The Czech land, my home,
The Czech land, my home!
« Last Edit: September 16, 2017, 08:14:27 AM by Превед »
Березы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и березы», 1843 / 1856)

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Re: A New AU fic - title, ideas, help with accuracy?
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2017, 08:51:55 AM »
I can imagine a touching, romantic scene where Princess Bathildis sings the later Czech national anthem with NII listening secretly and half understanding what she is singing:

Kde domov můj? Kde domov můj?
Voda hučí po lučinách,
bory šumí po skalinách,
v sadě skví se jara květ,
zemský ráj to na pohled!
A to je ta krásná země,
země česká domov můj,
země česká domov můj!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0YavuZe_DQ

Russian:
Где дом мой? Где дом мой? = Gde dom moy? Gde dom moy?
Вода журчит по лугам, = Voda zhurchit po lugam,
Боры шумят по скалам, = Bory shumyat po skalam,
В саду сияет весны цветок, = V sadu siyet vesny tsvetok,
Это рай земной на вид! = Eto ray zemnoy vid!
И это та прекрасная земля, = I eto ta prekrasnaya zemlya,
Земля чешская, дом мой, = Zemlya cheskaya, dom moy,
Земля чешская, дом мой. = Zemlya cheskaya, dom moy.

And they end up singing the German version in a duet:
Wo ist mein Heim, mein Vaterland?
Wo durch Wiesen Bäche brausen
Wo auf Felsen Wälder sausen
Wo ein Eden uns entzückt
Wenn der Lenz die Fluren schmückt:
Dieses Land so schön vor allen
Böhmen ist mein Heimatland.
Böhmen ist mein Heimatland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGT1-19_uU8&t=

English translation:
Where is my home, where is my homeland,
Water roars across the meadows,
Pinewoods rustle among crags,
The garden is glorious with spring blossom,
Paradise on earth it is to see.
And this is that beautiful land,
The Czech land, my home,
The Czech land, my home!

You're definitely selling me the idea of Princess Bathildis being Nicholas' wife. The scene you've thought of is very sweet to imagine. With the amount I've written no Princess, real or fictional, is mentioned by their birth name, instead they are called 'Catherine' which is the name Nicholas' wife takes in my novel instead of Alexandra. Their birth name is only mentioned once by the fictional Princess Alice, but I can easily change the name chosen for the fictional Empress to Bathildis.
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Re: A New AU fic - title, ideas, help with accuracy?
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2017, 09:25:59 AM »
With Bathildis being born in 1873, her and Nicholas' wedding day will be changed to 1892, meaning:

Alexei: 1893
Olga: 1895
Tatiana: 1897
Maria: 1899
Anastasia: 1901
Dmitri: 1903
Constantine: 1905

For my plot to work, all the girls have to be of age (16+) in 1918 so the two new sons have been moved to be younger than OTMA.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2017, 11:31:06 AM by TimM »
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Re: A New AU fic - title, ideas, help with accuracy?
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2017, 11:32:41 AM »
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With Bathildis being born in 1973, her and Nicholas' wedding day will be changed to 1892

She married Nicholas 81 years before she was even born!?  How'd she do that!?

Okay, I know you meant to type 1873.  I've fixed that.

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Re: A New AU fic - title, ideas, help with accuracy?
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2017, 12:03:42 PM »
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With Bathildis being born in 1973, her and Nicholas' wedding day will be changed to 1892

She married Nicholas 81 years before she was even born!?  How'd she do that!?

Okay, I know you meant to type 1873.  I've fixed that.

Thanks Tim! With 8 and 9 being right next to each other on my keyboard, and being so used to writing 19__ it's hard to remember to double check and think everything is right when it really isn't!
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Re: A New AU fic - title, ideas, help with accuracy?
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2017, 05:22:55 PM »
You're definitely selling me the idea of Princess Bathildis being Nicholas' wife. The scene you've thought of is very sweet to imagine. With the amount I've written no Princess, real or fictional, is mentioned by their birth name, instead they are called 'Catherine' which is the name Nicholas' wife takes in my novel instead of Alexandra. Their birth name is only mentioned once by the fictional Princess Alice, but I can easily change the name chosen for the fictional Empress to Bathildis.

Cool, I'm thrilled to have provided you with inspiration! I would also like to point you to a marvellous satire of Princess Bathildis' ancestral Schaumburg-Lippe, one of the smallest member states of the German Empire. See Hermann Löns: Duodez, which you can translate in Google Translate, for a charmingly mocking description by a one-time local newspaper editor, who became a half-famous German author, of the state ruled by her uncle and cousin.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2017, 05:33:32 PM by Превед »
Березы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и березы», 1843 / 1856)

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Re: A New AU fic - title, ideas, help with accuracy?
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2017, 05:26:12 PM »
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Thanks Tim! With 8 and 9 being right next to each other on my keyboard, and being so used to writing 19__ it's hard to remember to double check and think everything is right when it really isn't!

And, of course, after a certain time, you can't go back and fix your posts.  Only Mods can do that.

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Re: A New AU fic - title, ideas, help with accuracy?
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2017, 06:02:52 PM »
With Bathildis being born in 1873, her and Nicholas' wedding day will be changed to 1892, meaning:

Alexei: 1893
Olga: 1895
Tatiana: 1897
Maria: 1899
Anastasia: 1901
Dmitri: 1903
Constantine: 1905

With their mother being a nominal Bohemian they would perhaps go for a common Slavic name, perhaps at least for the youngest? Ludmila / Lyudmila for a girl or Václav / Vatslav (= Wenceslaus - both of these Czech patron saints and also Orthodox saints) for a boy. Dragomir(a) would of course have been a wonderful way to name a child after MF, whose Danish name Dagmar probably is a medieval Danish version of Czech Dragomira, a nickname of Queen Markéta Přemyslovna, but unfortunately there is no Orthodox saint called Dragomir or Dragomira.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2017, 06:19:37 PM by Превед »
Березы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и березы», 1843 / 1856)

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Re: A New AU fic - title, ideas, help with accuracy?
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2017, 06:11:50 PM »
History stuff: If you have Bloody Sunday you are going to have to have the 1905 Revolution. As for Russia in WW I it will be the same as in real life.

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Re: A New AU fic - title, ideas, help with accuracy?
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2017, 04:04:11 AM »
A little more additional information on Princess Bathildis' background:
- The castle where she was born, Ratiborschitz / Ratibořice, had hosted Emperor Alexander I in June 1813, when he had talks with Metternich about the final campaign againt Napoleon. At that time the castle was owned by Metternich' lover Wilhelmine, Duchess of Sagan / Żagań.
- Ratiborschitz / Ratibořice was part of the Lordship of Nachód, which in 1843 (one year after it had been acquired by Bathildis' grandfather) consisted of 113 villages and hamlets, of which 12 had a German-speaking majority. The lordship had a population of nearly 50.000, nearly all of them Catholics. There were nearly 200 Protestants in 1840 and nearly 400 Jews.
Березы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и березы», 1843 / 1856)

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Re: A New AU fic - title, ideas, help with accuracy?
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2017, 04:11:24 AM »
Dragomir(a) would of course have been a wonderful way to name a child after MF, whose Danish name Dagmar probably is a medieval Danish version of Czech Dragomira, a nickname of Queen Markéta Přemyslovna, but unfortunately there is no Orthodox saint called Dragomir or Dragomira.

There is a fantastically sad medieval Danish ballad about the death of Queen Markéta Přemyslovna / Margrethe Dragomira / Dagmar:
YouTube: Dronning Dagmar ligger udi Ribe syg
Березы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и березы», 1843 / 1856)

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Re: A New AU fic - title, ideas, help with accuracy?
« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2017, 05:41:16 AM »
I can imagine a touching, romantic scene where Princess Bathildis sings the later Czech national anthem with NII listening secretly and half understanding what she is singing:

Kde domov můj? Kde domov můj?

NB the song was originally written for a musical comedy and did not become an anthem untill 1918.
Березы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и березы», 1843 / 1856)

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Re: A New AU fic - title, ideas, help with accuracy?
« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2017, 07:44:04 AM »
With Bathildis being born in 1873, her and Nicholas' wedding day will be changed to 1892, meaning:

Alexei: 1893
Olga: 1895
Tatiana: 1897
Maria: 1899
Anastasia: 1901
Dmitri: 1903
Constantine: 1905

With their mother being a nominal Bohemian they would perhaps go for a common Slavic name, perhaps at least for the youngest? Ludmila / Lyudmila for a girl or Václav / Vatslav (= Wenceslaus - both of these Czech patron saints and also Orthodox saints) for a boy. Dragomir(a) would of course have been a wonderful way to name a child after MF, whose Danish name Dagmar probably is a medieval Danish version of Czech Dragomira, a nickname of Queen Markéta Přemyslovna, but unfortunately there is no Orthodox saint called Dragomir or Dragomira.

Well, I did mention changing Anastasia's name considering she was named for Princess Anastasia of Montenegro by her mother, and both of the youngest sons are completely made up so their names can be changed early into the writing.

History stuff: If you have Bloody Sunday you are going to have to have the 1905 Revolution. As for Russia in WW I it will be the same as in real life.

Not for Russia. With Rasputin not in the picture at all, Nicholas won't go off to lead the fighting himself leaving it to more experienced people who will most likely win more battles and boost the people's spirits. He'll be at Tsarskoe Selo.
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Re: A New AU fic - title, ideas, help with accuracy?
« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2017, 08:15:50 AM »
looking forward to it GDSophie - a fascinating concept. Looks like you're going to be able to have a lot of depth coming with it too.

I adore hard facts, (probably have some mania for them!), but sometimes fiction/alternative history, with it's What-Ifs and what may have beens can prove to be richly poignant and just as useful to consider too.

It's very different but some of my writing explores Toria's feelings for Nicholas (way before, during, and after the revolution(s)......and HIS love for Alix).

please keep us updated with your process hopefully you're enjoying it currently :)



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Re: A New AU fic - title, ideas, help with accuracy?
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2017, 06:34:55 AM »
looking forward to it GDSophie - a fascinating concept. Looks like you're going to be able to have a lot of depth coming with it too.

I adore hard facts, (probably have some mania for them!), but sometimes fiction/alternative history, with it's What-Ifs and what may have beens can prove to be richly poignant and just as useful to consider too.

It's very different but some of my writing explores Toria's feelings for Nicholas (way before, during, and after the revolution(s)......and HIS love for Alix).

please keep us updated with your process hopefully you're enjoying it currently :)

It's very enjoyable to write, honestly; all the tiny details that have to be changed in this AU is fascinating to work out.
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