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Mary, Queen of Scots....was she really....
« on: January 29, 2005, 09:53:18 PM »
Queen of Scotland at age 10? ???
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Re: Mary, Queen of Scots....was she really....
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2005, 09:54:35 PM »
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Queen of Scotland at age 10? ???


She was Queen of Scotland at something like 2 months old....

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Re: Mary, Queen of Scots....was she really....
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2005, 08:49:06 AM »
Born in Linlithgow Palace on 8th December 1542, Mary was six days old when she became Queen of Scots.   She inherited the throne on the death of her father James V who died on 14th December 1542, following the Battle of Solway Moss.

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Re: Mary, Queen of Scots....was she really....
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2005, 08:53:45 AM »
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...Mary was six days old when she became Queen of Scots.    
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Re: Mary, Queen of Scots....was she really....
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2005, 08:09:19 AM »
If she was only an infant at the time of her accession, who became her regent?  I am still learning about her....

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Re: Mary, Queen of Scots....was she really....
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2005, 08:56:43 AM »
Her mother, Mary of Guise. Mary (Q. of S.) was sent to France at the age of 5 when she became betrothed to the Dauphin.

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Re: Mary, Queen of Scots....was she really....
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2005, 10:22:54 PM »
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Her mother, Mary of Guise. Mary (Q. of S.) was sent to France at the age of 5 when she became betrothed to the Dauphin.

Can you even imagine that? She was five years old, shipped hundreds of miles from her home and engaged at an age most children start kindergarten. That has always amazed me. She couldn't have posisbly understood what was going on and of course she had regents etc. But the story just amazes me.
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Re: Mary, Queen of Scots....was she really....
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2005, 06:40:19 AM »


Mary had happy times in France, and she became more sophisticated. Mary of Guise did not only send her to France because of her engagement to the Dauphin, but also because it was much safer than keeping Mary in Scotland, which was a convulse country in which religious changes and rebellious nobles were starting to grow very quickly.


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Re: Mary, Queen of Scots....was she really....
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2005, 03:00:12 PM »
i think that was her downfall...

she became queen of scotland at 6 days old...
she became queen of france when she was a teenager...

she didn't learn to appreciate this because everything was handed to her. she just took it all for granted...

i think her happiest times were in france
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Re: Mary, Queen of Scots....was she really....
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2005, 03:53:36 PM »


They were indeed, ilyala....

Poor Mary...
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Re: Mary, Queen of Scots....was she really....
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2007, 01:36:05 PM »
i think that was her downfall...

she became queen of scotland at 6 days old...
she became queen of france when she was a teenager...

she didn't learn to appreciate this because everything was handed to her. she just took it all for granted...

i think her happiest times were in france



 Well, everything was handed to her, but I think she didn't take it for granted in a selfish way. She may have taken it as the status quo, which it was. But, it may have made things harder for her, as it put quite a bit of pressure on her. She had a harder life, because so young, she was already a Queen. She grew up with that role, and never really had any time to just breathe and be herself.

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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2007, 02:46:43 AM »
not really.

she wasn't queen of scotland de facto until she came back to scotland. her mother - and then her brother - didn't bother her with problems of scotland ruling (probably because they both assumed she would stay in france).

also, she wasn't much burdened by the queen of france thing - first of all she was queen consort (and that doesn't involve much ruling) and we must remember that at that time her husband himself didn't have much power (he was completely dominated by mary's uncles the guise family).

basically until the time she landed in scotland she had the status of a queen but not the burdens. i think that explains a lot of her later behaviors.
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Re: Mary, Queen of Scots....was she really....
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2007, 08:29:36 AM »
To me what explains her later behaviour the most was that she went from a country like France to one like Scotland. She had both in her blood, but she had been raised at the French court, and certainly understood France better. She never really grasped Scotland, and she was trying to rule, when her natural abilities were not what her cousin's were when it came to ruling. I really think she was a victim, beyond her image as a victim, because she really wasn't always the cause of her own downfall.

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Re: Mary, Queen of Scots....was she really....
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2007, 09:25:01 PM »


Mary had happy times in France, and she became more sophisticated.




Don't they all? Anne Boleyn should be an example . . .

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Re: Mary, Queen of Scots....was she really....
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2007, 03:53:49 AM »
I think that is a great point....what was acceptable Court Behavior in France certainly would have been looked on ...very  different in Scotland.  The French Court shelterd her from making hard decisions...and her life was rough from the very beginning.

" five-year-old Mary was sent to France in 1548 to spend the next ten years at the French court. Henri II had offered to guard her and raise her. On August 7, 1548, the French fleet sent by Henri II sailed back to France from Dumbarton carrying the five year-old Queen of Scotland on board.

Guarding Mary was very important as Henry VIII  had raided Scotland mercilessly costing over half a million pounds and many lives trying to force the marriage of Mary to his son Edward I.     In May of 1544, the English Earl of Hertford (later created Duke of Somerset by Edward VI) arrived in the Firth of Forth hoping to capture the city of Edinburgh and kidnap Mary, but Mary of Guise hid her in the secret chambers of Stirling Castle..and there were other times as well. On September 10, 1547, known as "Black Saturday", the Scots suffered a bitter defeat at the Battle of Pinkie Cleugh. Mary of Guise, fearful for her daughter, sent her temporarily to Inchmahome Priory, and turned to the French ambassador Monsieur D'Oysel.

The French, remaining true to the Auld Alliance, came to the aid of the Scots. The new French King, Henri II, was now proposing to unite France and Scotland by marrying the little Queen to his newborn son, the Dauphin François. This seemed to Marie to be the only sensible solution to her troubles. In February 1548, hearing that the English were on their way back, Marie moved Mary to Dumbarton Castle. The English left a trail of devastation behind once more and seized the strategically located town of Haddington. By June, the much awaited French help had arrived. On July 7, the French Marriage Treaty was signed at a nunnery near Haddington.

Vivacious, pretty, and clever (according to contemporary accounts), Mary had a promising childhood. While in the French court, she was a favorite."
Mary returned to Scotland soon after her husband's death and arrived in Leith on August 19, 1561. Despite her talents, Mary's upbringing had not given her the judgment to cope with the dangerous and complex political situation in the Scotland of the time.

Mary, being a devout Roman Catholic, was regarded with suspicion by many of her subjects as well as by Elizabeth, who was her father's cousin and the monarch of the neighbouring Protestant country. Scotland was torn between Catholic and Protestant factions, and Mary's illegitimate half-brother, James Stewart, 1st Earl of Moray, was a leader of the Protestant faction. The Protestant reformer John Knox also preached against Mary, condemning her for hearing Mass, dancing, dressing too elaborately, and many other things, real and imagined..

I really don't think very many people would have navigated all this...maybe someone really shrewd, raised in her own Country and used to Politics like Queen Elizabeth I !       Very fascinating person...