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Offline Bourgogne

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Re: Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #210 on: August 19, 2012, 04:37:30 PM »
I wonder if they have a reunion photo of their families too.

Excuse me, but "they" = who...?   
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Re: Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #211 on: August 19, 2012, 08:56:41 PM »
The family of August & Clementine.

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Re: Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #212 on: August 20, 2012, 07:54:45 PM »
But...?? the picture I've posted is precisely a reunion photo of the family of Auguste and Clementine...
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(Sorry I must be stupid lol)
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Re: Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #213 on: August 23, 2012, 09:30:47 AM »
I mean years later with their children.

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Re: Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #214 on: August 23, 2012, 09:22:11 PM »
I mean years later with their children.

Ah ok, you mean Clotilde with her husband and children, Gusty with his wife and his children, and so on... Well, yes, definitively there must be some pictures like this... A.o. there are a lot of nice illustration of the whole family (Saxe-Cobourg, Braganza, Bavaria, etc.) in the book "Clémentine d'Orléans" by Olivier Defrance (in french).

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Re: Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #215 on: August 24, 2012, 09:43:28 AM »
That is why I say reunion. In the photo above, the children were not married.

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Re: Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #216 on: August 24, 2012, 07:29:14 PM »
That is why I say reunion. In the photo above, the children were not married.

Ah then ok, everybody together! All the brothers and sisters with each one his/her consort and children, all on the same picture. Well in this case, it would be indeed a beautiful photo, but I don't know if it does exist, I've never seen the whole family together after their respective marriages.

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Re: Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #217 on: August 25, 2012, 10:16:23 AM »
I think I have seen partial ones with Clementine with some of her children and grandchildren, but not all together. The reason was that Amalie for one died early.

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Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #218 on: March 11, 2014, 11:56:47 AM »
Hoho, gonna spend a week this summer in Styrian Schladming, where the local town hall was built as Palais Coburg in 1884 by (presumably) Prince Ludwig August von S-C-G-Koháry. His son August Leopold apparently died there.



I'm equally pleased by Schladming being a Slavic place name, from Old Slovenian (Windish) slabnik, slapnik, gorge valley, waterfall, mountain stream.
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Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #219 on: June 24, 2014, 01:46:31 PM »
I was consulting Wikipedia about Prince Leopold Clement and I noticed this on the ''talk'' page:

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The text says that "marrying Rybicka would have forced [Leopold] to resign his officer's commission." It does not explain why. Were officers of his rank forbidden to marry? Would being married to a commoner cause a demotion in royal rank that would keep him from serving in that regiment? Were newlyweds forbidden from serving in combat, which his regiment was about to enter? Inquiring minds want to know. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 14:02, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I am one of the inquiring minds, and I cannot answer your question. The source provides no explanation but appears to suggest that such a marriage would have been improper. I'll try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. Surtsicna (talk) 15:47, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Prince_Leopold_Clement_of_Saxe-Coburg_and_Gotha

Maybe someone here could help us with this one.
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Re: The Saxe-Coburg, desd. of Prince Ferdinand and Antonia Kohary
« Reply #220 on: September 22, 2017, 08:34:54 AM »
At that time, and to some extent even today in the British forces, an officer was required to get his Commanding Officer's permission to marry. If he insisted on marrying someone considered unsuitable, he would be told discreetly to move to a less choosy regiment.

According to Gregory Tcherbatoriev(sp?) in Russia, my Native Land the officers of Russian regiments would hold a mess meeting to decide whether the lady concerned could be welcomed into the regiment. I would guess that on most occasions there would be no issue, but, interestingly, the author said that members of the great Moscow merchant families were not considered to be suitable brides for Guards officers because there was a sense that it was not possible to make lots of money in an honourable fashion. Unlike the British Army, however, actresses were acceptable provided they gave up the professional stage before marriage.

Since Leopold Clement was in his 30s, he was senior enough to marry (in the British Army then it was considered improper for any officer below the rank of Captain to marry); the issue was the lady's background.

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