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Locking Trina's Maid in Water-Closet
« on: March 10, 2020, 09:48:19 PM »
I was wondering if anyone could help me find an academic/reputable source for the following letter by Olga? The only source I can find so far for it is livadia.org. I know the site runners put a lot of effort into pulling their information from reputable sources, but unfortunately, for citation purposes, I can’t use the website as a reliable source. :(
 
“9 October 1915 (to Papa)
I am sitting in Mr. Gilliard's rooms near the door of his water-closet where Trina's little nasty girl Katya is sitting locked in by Anastasia and myself. We've just drawn her along the dark passage and pushed her in. The weather became very cold and it was snowing today and the snow didn't melt. We had a lot of fun when we went for a drive with Isa but Mama was receiving visitors all the time which was rather dull. Mordvinov had breakfast with us and told us a lot of interesting things but we interrupted him every moment as usually and didn't let him go on. It's always a great pleasure for us to read Alexei's letters. He writes such nice and funny letters without Pyotr Vasilievich's help. Katya is still locked in the W.C. She is knocking and wailing behind the door but we are implacable.”
 
I’m inclined to believe the source is real because I’ve discovered, Katya was a real person - Ekaterina Zhivaya - and was actually Trina’s maid, my source being “Претерпевшие до конца. Судьбы царских слуг, оставшихся верными долгу и присяге,” aka “Endured to the end. The fate of the royal servants who remained faithful to duty and oath.”

From August Sisters of Mercy (“Н. Зверева, Августейшие сестры милосердия”, here's a link https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/Istorija_Tserkvi/avgustejshie-sestry-miloserdija/3) a diary entry backs up both Katya’s existence and OTMA’s torment of her: “Sunday, February 1...Marie Baryatinsky drank tea. Alexey walks, but still limps. Dad cabled out of the way. [Telephoned?] Then tortured and scared Masha and Katya, the girls of Trina.” “Masha” was another of Trina’s maids, Maria Kulakova. Tatiana’s diary entry for February 1 mentions “We drank tea with Mom and Maria Baryatinsky. Then we scared the girls.”
 
Tatiana’s February 1 diary entry is in Helen Azar’s book for Tatiana’s letters and diaries, but neither Olga’s “locked Katya in the W.C.” or “tortured and scared Masha and Katya” are included in Azar’s Olga book. So basically I’m very confused and want to find the W.C. quote super bad, because I know it is probably real, and the implications are so interesting!!

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Re: Locking Trina's Maid in Water-Closet
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2020, 06:50:57 PM »
I'll record my journey to find a source for this note in this thread, I guess. Maybe it will be interesting/useful for others?

So the quote is not in any of Helen Azar's translations of the Romanov sisters diaries/letters. Since reading the text provided online of August Sisters of Mercy, I noticed that Ms. Azar's books don't have every single diary entry/letter that they wrote.

I took a chance on Raegan Baker's "Anastasia's Sisters," the next installation of her Romanov studies after Olga's 1913 diary translation, it wasn't in there either. Not sure where to go from here. I contacted livadia.org's site runners but no response, I'm not even sure if they would remember where they found that as the site was made in the early 2000s. Very frustrating!!

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Re: Locking Trina's Maid in Water-Closet
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2020, 02:16:12 AM »
The letter is genuine and can be found in GARF 640-1-1318.

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Re: Locking Trina's Maid in Water-Closet
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2020, 11:56:20 PM »
Looking at this article: http://orthochristian.com/28491.html. Katya and Maria seemed to have ended up in exile when Trina was killed. Does anyone know how old they were at the time of the water closet event?
Arthur of The Last Russian Czarhttp://www.amazon.com/Last-Russian-Czar-H-Carpathia/dp/1600431690/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1438094724&sr=8-6&keywords=the+last+russian+czar&pebp=1438094722063&perid=0HY1DJMAWA2SXA4BFAJ3