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Re: House of Wittelsbach
« Reply #105 on: December 08, 2005, 01:15:50 AM »
I mean Marie Gabriele in Bavaria married Crown Prince Rupprecht of Bavaria. Elisabeth in Bavaria married King Albert I of Belgians. ::)my bad
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Re: House of Wittelsbach
« Reply #106 on: December 08, 2005, 05:01:22 AM »
Hello  :)

Actually the line of the Duke in Bavaria bacame extint in 1973 with the death of Duke Luitpold. His first cousin and head of the ducal line prior to him, Duke Ludwig Wilhelm (d. 1968 ), son of Duke Carl Theodor and of his 2nd wife Dss Maria José, née Infanta of Portugal, adopted in 1965 Pr Max Emanuel of Bavaria (b. 1937), younger son of Duke Albrecht of Bavaria, whom was Duke Ludwig Wilhelm's nephew (son of Maria Gabriela and Crown Prince Rupprecht).

After the adoption Max Emanuel became Duke in Bavaria, along with his princely title. Two years later he married Gfn Elisabeth Douglas. As they have only (!) 5 daughters, I presume the Ducal title will eventually die out.


In 1973 at the death of the last male member of the Dukes in Bavaria he became the representant of this historic title.

He might adopt another member of the family though...and thus continue this heritage...


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« Reply #107 on: December 08, 2005, 09:56:21 AM »
Yes...another adoption.  ::)

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Re: House of Wittelsbach
« Reply #108 on: December 08, 2005, 10:09:19 AM »
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Hello  :)

Actually the line of the Duke in Bavaria bacame extint in 1973 with the death of Duke Luitpold. His first cousin and head of the ducal line prior to him, Duke Ludwig Wilhelm (d. 1968 ), son of Duke Carl Theodor and of his 2nd wife Dss Maria José, née Infanta of Portugal, adopted in 1965 Pr Max Emanuel of Bavaria (b. 1937), younger son of Duke Albrecht of Bavaria, whom was Duke Ludwig Wilhelm's nephew (son of Maria Gabriela and Crown Prince Rupprecht).

After the adoption Max Emanuel became Duke in Bavaria, along with his princely title. Two years later he married Gfn Elisabeth Douglas. As they have only (!) 5 daughters, I presume the Ducal title will eventually die out.


In 1973 at the death of the last male member of the Dukes in Bavaria he became the representant of this historic title.

He might adopt another member of the family though...and thus continue this heritage...




Several points here.  Legally, titles do not exist in Germany.  The late Duke in Bavaria adopted Max Emanuel to pass on a surname (which was once a title) and for inheritance purposes.  I would be surprised if ME does not adopt another male Bavarian in order to keep the name going.  He has a fair number of male relatives to adopt - a good choice might be be Prince Wolfgang of Bavaria (second son of Rasso) who is married with sons - and Wolfgang's younger brother also has several sons (and then there would be a nice new "line of succession" for the ducal "title
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Re: House of Wittelsbach
« Reply #109 on: December 08, 2005, 07:11:35 PM »
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I know this is the Hohenzollern section but I can't think of any where else to bring up german princes. I studied the Bavarians some years ago back to Bavarians of the Holy Roman Empire, but I forgot or really got confused with the Dukes in Bavaria and the royal family of Bavaria.

Didn't the Dukes in Bavaria line become extinct? Or really did it merge with the main Bavarian line because Elisabeth in Bavaria who married King Ludwig III?


My Web Page at: http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_raymond/Bavarian_Royal_Family.htm may possibly enable you to entangle the Dukes in Bavaria line from the "Royal" of Bavaria line. On the other hand perhaps it wont be of any help?

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Re: House of Wittelsbach
« Reply #110 on: December 11, 2005, 12:52:16 PM »
Hello...

One question: When Duke Franz made dynastic all the marriages in his family (1999) did he put restrictions for future marriages or each member may now marry without seeking any kind of aprooval?


It was good he did so...now the next generations of Heads of the House will also descendend from Kronprinz Rupprecht, for instance...


Thank you in advance...

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Re: House of Wittelsbach
« Reply #111 on: December 11, 2005, 11:57:17 PM »
Thanks for making this post active!! ;D Thanks for your input. There seems to be a lot of adoptions. that's wierd. I guess they have to to keep the line alive.
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Re: House of Wittelsbach
« Reply #112 on: December 12, 2005, 04:45:33 AM »

I think it's because, though at first a minor branch of the Wittelsbach, the Dukes in Bavaria gained much consideration after their excellent marriages among Royal Houses...And there is a will of not forgetting such heritage...much as like the Austria-Este...

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Re: House of Wittelsbach
« Reply #113 on: November 07, 2007, 08:29:21 AM »
It is as much financial as it is prestige. There are two substantial properties, Schloss Tegernsee and Wildbad Kreuth involved plus a number of small business properties scattered around southern bavaria. In addition to the properties themselves there are two lbusiness holdings that produce substantial income. The Ducal Bavarian Brewinghouse is a medium sized brewery and the former spa complex at Kreuth is leased to the Christian Socialist Union (the bavarian equivalent to our Republican Party) which operates it as a party meeting and seminar center.

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Re: House of Wittelsbach
« Reply #114 on: November 07, 2007, 11:00:05 AM »
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Hello  :)

Actually the line of the Duke in Bavaria bacame extint in 1973 with the death of Duke Luitpold. His first cousin and head of the ducal line prior to him, Duke Ludwig Wilhelm (d. 1968 ), son of Duke Carl Theodor and of his 2nd wife Dss Maria José, née Infanta of Portugal, adopted in 1965 Pr Max Emanuel of Bavaria (b. 1937), younger son of Duke Albrecht of Bavaria, whom was Duke Ludwig Wilhelm's nephew (son of Maria Gabriela and Crown Prince Rupprecht).

After the adoption Max Emanuel became Duke in Bavaria, along with his princely title. Two years later he married Gfn Elisabeth Douglas. As they have only (!) 5 daughters, I presume the Ducal title will eventually die out.


In 1973 at the death of the last male member of the Dukes in Bavaria he became the representant of this historic title.

He might adopt another member of the family though...and thus continue this heritage...



Several points here.  Legally, titles do not exist in Germany.  The late Duke in Bavaria adopted Max Emanuel to pass on a surname (which was once a title) and for inheritance purposes.  I would be surprised if ME does not adopt another male Bavarian in order to keep the name going.  He has a fair number of male relatives to adopt - a good choice might be be Prince Wolfgang of Bavaria (second son of Rasso) who is married with sons - and Wolfgang's younger brother also has several sons (and then there would be a nice new "line of succession" for the ducal "title


From what we've seen, in Germany anyone can adopt anyone and thus pass him the title, or, at least the surname:
eg Zsa Zsa Gabor's Prince of Anhalt, the last Schwarzburg Furst, etc...

So, from the sake of the discussion, I guess M-E can adopt anyone, such as one of his grandsons and not necessarily adopt Wolfgang or any other Wittelsbach. Is this correct ?
It would be nice for Wolfgang as Pr.Franz's demorganizations deprived him from the title as heir apparent in favour of his cousin Luitpold (who had contracted a morganatic marriage under the ancient laws).

Would any adoption from M-E (f.i. of a grandson)  have to be approved by Franz as head of the house ?
Are the 1st and 2nd lines of the Wittelsbachs ruled by the same laws ?


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Re: House of Wittelsbach
« Reply #115 on: November 07, 2007, 08:44:11 PM »
This is getting confusing... ???

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« Reply #116 on: February 01, 2010, 07:11:03 PM »
The common ancestor of the Kings/Dukes of Bavaria and Dukes in Bavaria was a certain Count Christian 1 of Birkenfeld-Bischweiler (1598-1654).
Count Christian II (1637-1717) of Birkenfeld-Bischweiler (a son of Christian 1 above) is a direct ancestor of the Kings/Dukes of Bavaria.
Johann Karl  (1638-1704) of Birkenfeld-Gelnhausen  (another son of Christian 1 above) is a direct ancestor of the Dukes in Bavaria.
Christian II’s great grandson Count Maximilian of Birkenfeld-Zweibruken  (1756-1825) later Duke of Zweibruken became the first King of Bavaria in 1805 (as Maximilan I).
Johann Karl’s grandson Duke Wilhelm of Birkenfeld-Gelnhausen (1752 - 1837) married Countess Marie Anne of Birkenfeld-Zweibruken (1753 - 1824) who was a sister of King Maximilian I of Bavaria  
Maximilian I conferred the title Duke in Bavaria on his brother-in-law Wilhelm.

I am fascinating by the line of the Counts Palatine of Birkenfeld-Gelnhausen, because Gelnhausen seems like such an idyllic place on the edge of the Spessart in the little-known Kinzig Valley. I was going to say off the beaten path, but remembered that it was on the old Via Regia from Mainz to Leipzig (ref.: nearby Steinau an der Straße) and I have myself passed it on the autobahn, but it's all in all not a well-known residence of royalty. As I understand it the Imperial City of Gelnhausen had been mortgaged by the Emperors in the Middle Ages and the exact territorial jurisdiction was disputed by the two eventual mortgagees the Counts of Hanau and their heirs the Landgraves of Hesse-Kassel, and the Electors Palatine.

How much actual land in and around Gelnhausen did this leave the Gelnhausen Wittelsbachs? And since I see that a few of them (including Wilhelm, Duke in Bavaria) were born there, exactly where in Gelnhausen did they reside? The only possible place I can see is the old medieval imperial Pfalz (palace). If so, how appropriate, since they were Pfalzgrafen, Counts Palatine!

Gelnhausen (nowadays in Hesse - the Hesse-Kassels won the territorial fight):

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Re: House of Wittelsbach
« Reply #117 on: February 02, 2010, 01:26:13 PM »
Lovely photo ! Thanks.