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Descendants of Christ?
« on: February 03, 2005, 05:41:14 PM »
I just finished watching a fascinating documentary about the search for the Holy Grail, and the theory that it may not have been a grail at all, but a bloodline. Some people believe that Jesus and Mary Magdeline were married and had a child. I remember reading somewhere that the Stewarts believed they were descended from Christ. Can anyone shed some light on this?

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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2005, 05:44:45 PM »
Did you read 'The Holy Blood & the Holy Grail'?...It's quite convincing but not convincing enough IMO. The Scottish Chapel, (Rosslyn?) may hold some mysteries but I don't think they're really to do with Christ's descendants. It's all to do with the Templars (I live near a Templar estate!!) & the treasures they found in Jerusalem. It's a bit sensationalist IMO.  

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Re: Descendants of Christ?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2005, 05:47:54 PM »
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I just finished watching a fascinating documentary about the search for the Holy Grail, and the theory that it may not have been a grail at all, but a bloodline. Some people believe that Jesus and Mary Magdeline were married and had a child. I remember reading somewhere that the Stewarts believed they were descended from Christ. Can anyone shed some light on this?


That really cool, I have seen it to. The Child's name was Sarah....
with means Princess, I think?

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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2005, 06:01:57 PM »
This theory has been around for a long time, and has recently been brought into the mainstream by The Da Vinci Code... It's interesting, but I seriously doubt it  ;).
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2005, 06:02:43 PM »
I agree with you AGAIN, Helen!

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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2005, 06:37:32 PM »
Also, I heard somewhere that it wasn't just the Stuarts, but it was all European royalty supposedly descended from Christ (according to the Holy Grail theory). I think that this was the justification as to why they were put on this earth to be rulers or something like that...

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2005, 06:45:22 PM »
Well, there you go...absolutely convincing ;D

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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2005, 06:56:42 PM »
The documentary (shown here in the UK on channel 4) was actually called The Real DaVinci Code. It basically disprooved ALL the myths. The host, Tony Robinson believes that there is no Holy Grail because it was the invention of a French novel writer in the Middle Ages. Then he talked about the legend that Mary Magdeline came to France with her child, supposedly a little girl named Sarah (Hebrew for Princess) but even that theory was disproved. Two women by the name of Mary DID arrive in France around that crucial time, but Mary Magdeline was not one of them, and Sarah was actually their servant girl.

The book 'The Holy Blood & the Holy Grail' was discussed a lot, but it turns out that the bulk of theories the book was based on, are a load of rubbish, invented by a French con-artist.

The one thing that REALLY got me, was the actual painting of the Last Supper by DaVinci. Look closely at "John", the "man" sitting Christ's right side. Looks awfully like a woman to me....could it be Mary Magdeline?  ;)

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2005, 06:59:25 PM »
No...it's not! I've seen that too! Many da Vinci paintings are similar...besides which da Vinci was centuries after Christ! And the Sang Real (Real blood etc.) I'm absolutely convinced...after reading all that and Rennes le Chateaux etc...that's it's all trying to put a slant onto something that isn't there.

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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2005, 07:34:52 PM »
It was the practice in the very early days of "divine right"  for the royals of most countries to have manufactured genealogies taking their lineage back to the Old Testament.  David was a favourite, but even earlier prophets & priest as well. Some of the more creative included the Egyptian pharoes and Roman Caesars.  Of course these were all fallacy-propaganda to shore up their various claims and they could NOT claim a descent from Christ himself without incurring heresy charges from the Church.
Much as the Japanese monarchy claims descent from the goddess Amateratsu, a unique communion "with the Gods".
Today, the Islamic monarchies with the most respect claim direct descent from the Prophet Mohammed and can generally prove it. [not that such claims give them any more stability on their thrones]
So, some fiction of a descent from Christ would not really be surprising and the go-along mysticism and dramatics [interpretations of various arcane images] is nothing at all new.
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2005, 08:31:22 PM »
Absolutely no way. No descendents, no blood line, unless, of course you count all of us who partake of the Flesh and Blood of Christ through Holy Communion.

Da Vinci's style of painting is of course very good, but the reason why John looks maybe feminine (apart from stylistic reasons), is that Apostle John was a young man, and has thus traditionally portrayed beardless.
But Renaissance and post-renaissance religious painting, beautiful as much of it is, is quite different from Iconography, esp. as models are used - so a painting of the Madonna is really rather a painting of So-and-so posing as the Madonna, whereas traditional iconography uses traditional images passed down for centuries.

Annointing of the Sovereign is an ancient tradition, and if memory serves me right is found in the Old Testament. In the Christian Church it is a bit like a Mystery (the Orthodox term for what the western churches would call a Sacrament) - and is like a blessing from God for the sovereign to be the ruler. The Tsar was annointed; Queen Elisabeth was too.

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2005, 08:36:11 PM »
I have the book "Holy Blood, Holy Grail".  While I don't necessarily believe all that is says.  Basically it chronicles the Meroviginian Dynasty of Ancient France, & the Priory Of Sion.  The Prieure de Sion is a fraternal organization whose sole aim is to see the descendants of Christ...RESTORED to their thrones in Europe, this would include the sovereigns of France, the current monarchs of England, Belgium, Spain, Norway, Denmark, Sweden,  and the deposed monarchies of Germany, Italy, Roumania, etc...all monarchies who share the descendancy of Queen Victoria to Mary Stuart, and back to Charlemagne, and the Meroviginian Dynasty, and of course the search for the Holy Grail.... All going back to the idea that Mary Magdalene bore the child of Jesus Christ, and left the Holy Land in fear of persecution and landed in France by boat.  

NOTE: This is just a theory.  NOT SOMETHING I BELIEVE.
Yes these descendants would include Alexandra Feodorvna.

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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2005, 08:37:13 PM »
Yes, it makes sense...

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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2005, 11:13:41 AM »
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This theory has been around for a long time, and has recently been brought into the mainstream by The Da Vinci Code... It's interesting, but I seriously doubt it  ;).


Yes,  PBS had a very interesting program about the Da Vinci Code.

And, in the Holy Blood, Holy Grail, it shows a genealogy chart showing how Queen Victoria's lineage that goes way back ....

I don't have the book here so someone else will have to tell us the "top line", which I think is the House of David.

Isn't it great when new books which are fictional or non-fiction can cause a new stir in something old but interesting?

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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2005, 12:12:07 AM »
I think I heard somewhere that the Imperial Family of Ethiopia were descendants of Christ.


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