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Re: Alexei and his spaniel Joy
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2009, 09:00:05 AM »
Well, I think( sadly I have no proofs) that Joy was male. Simply by a dog's name/I think/sounds to me as male one. Cat (Zubrovka) was female, since 'Zubrovka' is indeed female name.  Only IMO, since there are many names of both genders -- I mean one name - both genders, like 'Sasha'.
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Re: Alexei and his spaniel Joy
« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2009, 03:44:54 AM »
Here



is another one.  http://news.webshots.com/photo/2230819730038578487NIGeuV  Anyone know where to obtain a clearer copy without the writing?  That seems to be Joy or a dog like it.

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Re: Alexei and his spaniel Joy
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2009, 07:20:33 AM »
Both Gilliard and Buxhoeveden -- who would have known Joy 'personally' -- refer to the dog as "him." So with Alekseyev, that makes three written sources in favor of male.

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This http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080104052012AANbAgQ says Joy was a female despite a written source saying male.

Since 'Joy' is a common female name in the US and England, I suspect that person is either making an assumption or using FOTR as his source.
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Re: Alexei and his spaniel Joy
« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2009, 09:52:17 AM »
I always read Joy was female. Donīt know the original source for it though...

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Re: Alexei and his spaniel Joy
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2009, 06:50:37 PM »
From most accounts I believe that Alexei's beloved Joy was, in fact, a male - as Sarushka pointed out, Gillard and Buxhoveden describe the dog as a male spaniel.

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Re: Alexei and his spaniel Joy
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2009, 04:15:58 PM »
I mus agree with sarushka, i think Joy was a male
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Re: Alexei and his spaniel Joy
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2009, 08:32:21 PM »
Found this reference to Joy in the AF threads:


Letter No. 164  Tsarskoe Selo, Nov. 27, 1915.
I sent for Joy & he lies at my feet - a melancholy picture, as he misses his little master.
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Re: Alexei and his spaniel Joy
« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2010, 10:33:44 PM »
This was rare on another thread, you may have seen it, but I think it's appropriate for this.


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Re: Alexei and his spaniel Joy
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2010, 01:51:37 AM »
  In Susanne Dunlap's fictional fem/teen novel "Anastasia's Secret" in the epilogue Susanne writes -

The only living being known to have suvived that night in Yekaterinburg was Joy, Alexei's spaniel. Sidney Gibbes found her wandering lost and forlorn around the yard of the house, crying for her master. She was taken to England to live out her days and is buried in Westminster Abbey. 

I know this is fictoin, but Joy buried in Westminster Abbey surely not.

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Re: Alexei and his spaniel Joy
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2010, 04:07:23 AM »
I do not know where you got that story , but I have read in several sources that  Joy was taken in by one of the guards and found  by investigators.
 The dog was brought to England and lived a nice "retirement"  in Windsor village.  The animal is buried in what is now a car park.    I went on a search for  grave of the dog.  Nothing to see, unfortunately.
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Re: Alexei and his spaniel Joy
« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2010, 06:54:11 AM »
  Perhaps the author spiced things up a bit to give the book a happy conclusion (sort of). Though I don't understand why as it's not required for the plot.

    It would be nice to think it was true.

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Re: Alexei and his spaniel Joy
« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2010, 02:02:17 PM »
I've never seen that picture of Alexei and Joy before, where and when was it taken?

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Re: Alexei and his spaniel Joy
« Reply #42 on: September 10, 2010, 02:26:19 PM »
We believe in the imperial train, during one of Alexei's trips to Stavka.
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Re: Alexei and his spaniel Joy
« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2010, 02:33:04 AM »
Yeah, we think he's lying in his army cot. Plus, why do many people say Joy is Black, and others say he's red? Excuse my impudence, but what color was he?
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Re: Alexei and his spaniel Joy
« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2010, 02:54:15 AM »
Bear, thank you for posting that except. Joy sounds like a typical dog - very funny. I wonder if the footage of Alexei and the dog still exists somewhere, it would be a wonderful gift if it did.

I believe the photograph he was talking about is one of these:

http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a014ic7.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zzzzzzzzzjh0.jpg

I had another one in mind, but can't seem to find it anywhere.

Victory, she was quoting the book and it mentioned how Alexei noted how his puppy was getting fat and how he thought his dog looked more clever than him on one occasion.
Are you talking about the one were Joy is on the lead, and Alexei is (eating?) snow? Sorry for all my questions!
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