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Re: Daughters of King Vittorio Emmanuele III
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2005, 05:15:44 AM »
GDella that is the most comprehensive information (in English) on Mafalda that I have ever come across.
Thank you for taking the time and trouble to do that for us; I, for one, appreciate it.
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Re: Daughters of King Vittorio Emmanuele III
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2005, 08:54:30 AM »

There were about 10 different bios online about her plus pieces of information here and there. I translated them, noted various interesting items (like her shack number) and wrote a narrative based on the information and things that I already knew about her. The translating part came from reading the Italian sites for information I didn't know about her.
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Re: Daughters of King Vittorio Emmanuele III
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2005, 09:33:48 AM »

A good book for details about the final years of her life is Mafalda di Savoia, dalla reggia al lager di Buchenwald by Cristina Siccardi.  The title translates Mafalda of Savoy from the royal palace to the concentration camp at Buchenwald  - the book includes testimony from several survivors who wrote to Mafalda's children after the war - to tell them how she died ...
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Re: Daughters of King Vittorio Emmanuele III
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2005, 02:44:39 PM »

That sounds really interesting. I'll have to become more familiar with Italian though--I had enough trouble slogging through the few pages I looked at!

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Re: Daughters of King Vittorio Emmanuele III
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2005, 05:24:32 PM »
It's not possible, is it, to reply to people's quotations/tags...but it IS very worrying about the Pope, grandduchessella!

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Re: Daughters of King Vittorio Emmanuele III
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2005, 06:25:19 AM »
I'm reading a biography about Queen Marie-José of Italy, née Princess of Belgium, who married Mafalda's brother Umberto II (last King of Italy). Marie-José was intended to wed Umberto since she was a child, and both their families met regularly (she was educated in Italy etc.). On the other hand, Giovanna and Mafalda, Umberto's sisters, were intended for Marie-José's brothers, Leopold (future Leopold III) and the regent Charles-Théodore, but the negotiations came to nothing, and Giovanna became Queen of Bulgaria (don't know why yet, still haven't finished the book), and Mafalda as we know married the Hessian prince. Mafalda's mother-in-law, Margarethe of Prussia, had the unenviable quality of losing many members of her family to a cruel end. Her two eldest sons were killed in action in WWI, another died in 1943 in action too (he was married to the Duke of Edinburgh's sister). Another died childless and unmarried and another died married but also childless. This one, by name Wolfgang, lost his wife, marie Alexandra of Baden, on January 29th 1944 during an air raid of Frankfurt. They never ahd any children. He later remarried a commoner. Mafalda was married to Margarethe's third  son, Philipp (Wolfgang's twin brother). Apparently he participated actively with the Nazis, as did many members of his maternal family, like several of his Hohenzollern uncles and cousins. When Hitler was done with dealing with royalty he locked them up in Concentration Camps. Mafalda was severely injured during an air raid performed by the Allied Forces (I think Americans) which damaged her arm. Gangrene set in and they had it amputated, but she had also been beaten up and tortured by the SS, so she died on August 28th 1944 in Buchenwald C.C. Her sons were the heirs of the Hesse-Darmstadt line since they died in 1937 in the plane crash (and little Johanna of Hesse in 1939 of Meningitis). All I know for now....

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Re: Daughters of King Vittorio Emmanuele III
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2005, 07:26:11 AM »

There's quite a bit about Mafalda's time in the CC on the 1st page of this thread. There's a good deal about her in Italian (the postings are English).

Marie Alexandra of Baden who died in the air raid over Frankfurt was the daughter of the famous Prince Max of Baden. She was also the granddaughter of Thyra of Cumberland (nee Denmark) sister of Queen Alexandra of England and Empress Marie Feodorovna of Russia. Thyra lost 2 of her sons as well (illness and car accident) before she died.  Marie Alexandra (as well as being 2nd cousin to GVI of Great Britain) was the sister of Berthold who married Prince Philip's elder sister.
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Re: Daughters of King Vittorio Emmanuele III
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2005, 03:46:49 AM »
Well they COULD have amrried a Jew had one of them wanted (I mean, I suppose, though it is unlikely). However, I agree with Iskebnderbey, I think you mean Mafalda, but she married a Hessian prince (thus, protestant). She died in Buchenwald C.C., but her husband survived as did all of her children. Mafalda, however, lost a sister-in-law in an air raid in Frankfurt in 1944 and a brother-in-law who was shot down in 1943 I believe. As far as I know thsoe were all the deaths occurred in the family (the immediate family you understand) in WWII.

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Re: Daughters of King Vittorio Emmanuele III
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2005, 03:58:10 AM »
what happend to Mafalda why did she die there?

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Re: Daughters of King Vittorio Emmanuele III
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2005, 04:13:16 AM »
Mafalda of Savoy was married to Prince Philipp of Hesse-Kassel, a great-grandson of England's Queen Victoria. They had a few children in the years preceding the war. In early September of 1943, Princess Mafalda traveled to Bulgaria to attend the funeral of her brother-n-law, King Boris III. Hitler believed Mafalda was working against the Nazis and the Gestapo ordered her arrest, and on September 23rd she received a telephone call from Karl Hass at the German High Command who informed her there was an important message from her husband. On her arrival at the German embassy she was arrested, ostensibly for her subversive activities, but also as a threat to keep her father, the King of Italy, in line. Mafalda was transported to Munich for questioning, then to Berlin and was finally deported to Buchenwald concentration camp. Mafalda died in Buchenwald concentration camp; she was severely wounded during an Allied bombing raid and had to have an arm amputated and she died the following day.

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Re: Daughters of King Vittorio Emmanuele III
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2005, 10:23:47 AM »
did no one try and help her she was the kings daughter

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Re: Daughters of King Vittorio Emmanuele III
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2005, 05:32:12 AM »
Hmmmm... in WWII I don't think anyone thought much of Princes of Princesses being locked up in concentration camps... besides, and I'm not being dramatic or silly, but what should they try and save ONE princess when there were millions of Jews being slaughtered...? Plus, she wasn't the only one to die in a Concentration Camp. Some Royals died during WWII, others were taken by the Soviets and "dissapeared" in Soviet Prisioner of war Camps...

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Re: Daughters of King Vittorio Emmanuele III
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2005, 10:45:43 AM »
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did no one try and help her she was the kings daughter


Nobody tried becouse she was not sent to prison as many other princes who were just kept as hostages.

Hitler wanted her to die!

She was scape goat, in order to punish her Father for signing an armistice with the americans.

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Re: Daughters of King Vittorio Emmanuele III
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2005, 01:22:58 PM »
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Hmmmm... in WWII I don't think anyone thought much of Princes of Princesses being locked up in concentration camps... besides, and I'm not being dramatic or silly, but what should they try and save ONE princess when there were millions of Jews being slaughtered...? Plus, she wasn't the only one to die in a Concentration Camp. Some Royals died during WWII, others were taken by the Soviets and "dissapeared" in Soviet Prisioner of war Camps...


thats a good point but as she was a princess she had conections what about her husband and father?

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Re: Daughters of King Vittorio Emmanuele III
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2005, 01:39:41 PM »
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thats a good point but as she was a princess she had conections what about her husband and father?


Her Father was in the southern part of Italy with no possible contacts with Germany, and thought Mafalda would be considered as a german Princess and so she would be safe.

Her husband was basically prisoner of Hitler and had to follow the Fuhrer everywhere.