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Re: discussion about orthodox religion
« Reply #210 on: February 01, 2005, 05:05:57 PM »
Webster's definition of sin:

1.  an offense esp. against God
2.  fault
3.  a weakened state of human nature in which the self is estranged from God

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Re: discussion about orthodox religion
« Reply #211 on: February 01, 2005, 05:06:10 PM »
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Well, as Webster would say, "to tend toward an inferior state or weaker condition." I have to agree.  ;)


I still don't understand what this means. Can you sin if you don't understand the meaning of "sin"?  ???  ;)

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Re: discussion about orthodox religion
« Reply #212 on: February 01, 2005, 05:07:18 PM »
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I am still waiting for the definition of "sin" then, because I obviously don't understand it.

It's an inherently evil nature. Actually I don't have a definition of it because I don't really think about it. I tend to look at things as right, wrong, or "err."

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Re: discussion about orthodox religion
« Reply #213 on: February 01, 2005, 05:07:35 PM »
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Webster's definition of sin:

1.  an offense esp. against God
2.  fault
3.  a weakened state of human nature in which the self is estranged from God


This is all extremely vague. How could you possibly know if you are sinning if it such a subjective definition?

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Re: discussion about orthodox religion
« Reply #214 on: February 01, 2005, 05:08:11 PM »
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I still don't understand what this means. Can you sin if you don't understand the meaning of "sin"?  ???  ;)

. . . I thought that I was defining "decline."
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Re: discussion about orthodox religion
« Reply #215 on: February 01, 2005, 05:08:59 PM »
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It's an inherently evil nature. Actually I don't have a definition of it because I don't really think about it. I tend to look at things as right, wrong, or "err."


What is evil? And what is right and wrong? Right for whom? Wrong for whom? Most of it is so subjective, depending on whom you talk to....

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Re: discussion about orthodox religion
« Reply #216 on: February 01, 2005, 05:10:39 PM »
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. . . I thought that I was defining "decline."


Ok, you should be more specific and quote me  ;). Again, this is too subjective, it goes by some very specific standards, sort of like "Native Americans were savages and we're not" type of thing.

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Re: discussion about orthodox religion
« Reply #217 on: February 01, 2005, 05:11:34 PM »
I think we all know in our hearts if something is right or wrong, (our conscience), though through years of neglect or supression, even that can not tell us if we are sinning sometimes. It can be very easy to ignore.

I suppose the 'mark' or the 'target' would be the commandments. And the Commandments express universal truths, and similar ideals seem to be universal, implanted into all of us by God.

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Re: discussion about orthodox religion
« Reply #218 on: February 01, 2005, 05:14:19 PM »
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What is evil? And what is right and wrong? Right for whom? Wrong for whom? Most of it is so subjective, depending on whom you talk to....


Would this be more in line with situational ethics??  

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Re: discussion about orthodox religion
« Reply #219 on: February 01, 2005, 05:14:37 PM »
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I think we all know in our hearts if something is right or wrong, (our conscience),  


 Yes, this is true, but it is not the same for everyone. Many people have different feelings and definitions of what is right and wrong...

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I suppose the 'mark' or the 'target' would be the commandments. And the Commandments express universal truths, and similar ideals seem to be universal, implanted into all of us by God.


So if you follow all ten commandments (which are kind of vague too), then this means you are avoiding sin?

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Re: discussion about orthodox religion
« Reply #220 on: February 01, 2005, 05:16:00 PM »
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What is evil? And what is right and wrong? Right for whom? Wrong for whom? Most of it is so subjective, depending on whom you talk to....

Look them up for yourself -- I'm not a dictionary!

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Re: discussion about orthodox religion
« Reply #221 on: February 01, 2005, 05:16:32 PM »
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Would this be more in line with situational ethics??  


Not really, it could also be cultural... It could be inherent...

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Re: discussion about orthodox religion
« Reply #222 on: February 01, 2005, 05:17:21 PM »
I think that sin is any thought, word or action which stops us or anyone else from being the dignified & 'whole' people that we were created to be.

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Re: discussion about orthodox religion
« Reply #223 on: February 01, 2005, 05:17:46 PM »
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Look them up for yourself -- I'm not a dictionary!


I didn't ask you in the first place. But thank you for responding. Unfortunately dictionaries fall extremely short of defining things like this.

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Re: discussion about orthodox religion
« Reply #224 on: February 01, 2005, 05:18:57 PM »
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I think that sin is any thought, word or action which stops us or anyone else from being the dignified & 'whole' people that we were created to be.
 


But again, this definition can mean different things to different people. This is what I am trying to convey here. It is all subjective... So how can we have a universal rule about something like this?
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