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Re: Pierre Gilliard
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2005, 03:59:21 AM »
Hi

does any one know where I could get a copy of
"Thirteen Years at the Russian Court" in the UK cant find it in any
of the books shop!

thanks


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Re: Pierre Gilliard
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2005, 04:17:45 AM »
Nickname of Pierre Gilliard:
I have just noticed that the children of Tsar called Gilliard - Zhilik .
It is very funny , it sounds like zhulik - little thief.

About his papers: according to the one russian historical article, his diary now in GARF.

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Re: Pierre Gilliard
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2005, 05:32:53 AM »
After the Revolution, Gilliard came back in Switzerland. He finnished his studies (he stoped it in 1904).Then, he did some jobs in Italia and in a business school .  In 1926, he teach the modern French at the University in Lausanne and became his director and chairman until 1949. He dead on 30 may 1962 at Lausanne.
I know there is a Pierre-Frédéric Gilliard in our days, but I think it's his brother's son, Frédéric. I don't konw if they had children, he and Tegleva... :-/

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Re: Pierre Gilliard
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2005, 05:58:09 AM »
For people who understand French, here are the Gillaird fund at The Bibliothèqye cantonale Universitaire de Lausanne: (Library of the university, Lausanne, Switzerland)
Département Manuscrits
FONDS:    GILLIARD, Pierre  
COTE:    IS 1916, IS 5419  
DIMENSION:    18 cartons, 1 boîte de diapositifs, 1 chemise grand format, 1 album photographique  
PROVENANCE:    Legs  
CONVENTION:    1962  
LIMITE DE CONSULTATION:   libre  
ETAT CLASSEMENT:    inventaire  
COLLECTION DES INVENTAIRES BCU NO:    III
NOUVEAUX VERSEMENTS:    2.2.2004 Souvenir sde Tzarskoé Selo - IS 5419 Album photographique - Achat  

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Re: Pierre Gilliard
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2008, 04:57:42 PM »
How close was he really to the tsar and his family ???.

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Re: Pierre Gilliard
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2008, 08:17:42 AM »
He became very close during war with IF, and he as a witness give us many interesting informations about Romanovs. Since he met with IF in 1905, till exile at Tobolsk/Ekaterinburg. It is interesting to mention that he owned rare photos of IF taken by him.
Try to read Thirteen Years at the Russian Court - online at AP.
IMO, he is sometimes critic to OTMAA. And looks at things and happens very reality. 
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Re: Pierre Gilliard
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2008, 06:25:13 PM »
Pierre Gilliard was a native French-speaking Swiss, but what is known of his abilities in other languages.? Did he speak or understand Russian prior to going to Russia and eventual service as Imperial tutor? Presumably he learned it eventually over his time there. Same question with regard to English. Would his first 'interview' with Alexandra about the tutoring position have been in French, or English, since Alexandra was at least capable in both.

As for his  teaching French to the Grand Duchesses; since the 'total immersion' language teaching method probably wasn't used ,did he teach them 'in' English or Russian? The girls spoke both in the family setting.
What about Gilliard speaking with Gibbes? would that likely have been in French or English? What about Gilliard in social situations with the IF? I can't picture a sitdown lunch with the IF and intimates at Livadia being conducted in English, but neither can I imagine it in French. Were both Gilliard and Gibbes proficient enough in the Russian language to acquit themselves well in an almost all-Russian setting?
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Re: Pierre Gilliard
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2008, 10:39:51 AM »
I  do belive he spoke russian.

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Re: Pierre Gilliard
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2008, 02:34:48 PM »
IMO Gilliard must have been fairly proficient in Russian and/or English when he began teaching the imperial children, otherwise he would not have been able to communicate with his pupils, as their French skills were rather lacking. Of his first lesson with Olga and Tatiana in the fall of 1905, he writes:

"The contrast between anticipation and reality quite disconcerted me. To crown my discomfort, I had had an idea that my pupils were much more advanced than they actually were. I had selected certain exercises, but they proved far too difficult. The lesson I had prepared was useless, and I had to improvise and resort to expedients."

Gilliard's recollection of Aleksei's first lesson in 1912:

"I gave him the first lesson on October 2nd in the presence of his mother. The child was then eight and a half. He did not know a word of French, and at first I had a good deal of difficulty."


Incidentally, does anyone know whether Gilliard's memoirs were originally published in French or English?
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Re: Pierre Gilliard
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2008, 05:16:47 PM »
Yes.  "Treize Annees a la cour de Russie" was the first version of his memoirs, published by Payot in Paris, 1921. Even presuming he had become fairly fluent in English by this time, there's no way he would have published his first major work in other than his native language, and although parts of Switzerland are totally French speaking (including Lausanne where he ended up teaching) Paris is the obvious place to publish for a book like his. Also his intended audience would largely have been Western Europe in general and France in particular and French then was more of a lingua franca than English, unlike today.
I believe the Englsh version appeared in 1938 .
Back to my original question, I see in Nick Nicholson's brief bio of PG that he arrived in Russia in 1904. At the time of beginning his tutelage of Olga and Tatiana he would have been in Russia about a year. A short enough time, but perhaps enough for someone adept at language and with a university education like Gilliard. Also he was Swiss,that is, from a country with three major official languages and where bi- or trilingualism was promoted.
I still wonder about the language used by Gilliard in his various social and professional interactions with various members of the IF, including the youngest who certainly couldn't speak French for years. Gilliard and Nicholas face to face? Gilliard and Alexandra similarly?
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Re: Pierre Gilliard
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2009, 04:56:57 PM »
Thirteen years at the Russian court : (a personal record of the last years and death of the Czar Nicholas II. and his family)
Author: Gilliard, Pierre, b. 1879; Holt, Frederic Appleby, 1888-
Subject: Nicholas II, Emperor of Russia, 1868-1918; Soviet Union -- History 1917-
Publisher: London : Hutchinson
Possible copyright status: NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT
Language: English

http://www.archive.org/details/thirteenyearsatr00gilluoft

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Re: Pierre Gilliard
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Re: Pierre Gilliard
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2009, 07:22:05 AM »


Excellent! Where did you find it?

May I have the unmarked photo via PM?
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Re: Pierre Gilliard
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2009, 09:34:03 AM »
I´ll send the PM, don´t worry :)

I´ve got it from Czech version of "Alexei - son of the last Tsar" by Elisabeth Heresch