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Offline Daniela

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Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2006, 01:56:38 AM »
What if she is Princess Louise Victoire Marie Amelie Sophie d'Orléans (1869 - 1952), daughter of Duchess Sophie Charlotte Auguste in Bavaria married to Ferdinand Philippe Marie Duc d'Alencon.
Princess Louise Victoire Marie Amelie Sophie d'Orléans was married to Prince Alfons Maria Franz von Assisi Klemens Max Emanuel of Bavaria.

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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2006, 10:29:28 AM »
But she was known as Louise, not Amelie.
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2006, 12:55:19 PM »
But she was known as Louise, not Amelie.

Yes, I know! :)

It's just that to me is some liknes there! :-\

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Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2006, 02:26:27 PM »
It's definitely not Louise d'Orléans. I'm not an expert, but I think this portrait was painted at the beginning of the 19th century.

By the way: I wouldn't be surprised if this painting doesn't show a Wittelsbach Princess at all.  ;)
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2006, 03:13:16 PM »
A very crazy idea crossed my mind while I was looking at the portrait...

What if she is Amalie duchess in Bavaria...I mean, the wife of duke Pius and mother of duke Max?


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Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2006, 03:22:34 PM »
A very crazy idea crossed my mind while I was looking at the portrait...

What if she is Amalie duchess in Bavaria...I mean, the wife of duke Pius and mother of duke Max?



What a great idea! I haven't thought of Amalie Arenberg at all. It could be her, why not? There is no member of this forum who has ever seen a portrait of her. Does anybody have a description of Amalie's looks? Maybe we could compare it to the pic ...
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Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2006, 03:53:57 PM »
In my view the kind of painting is not typical for the 18th century. Amalie lived in 1789 'till 1823. The picture looks like it is from the middle of the 19th century.


Amalie could be look like this woman. :D

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Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2006, 04:01:54 PM »
The portrait is painted during the second Empire...

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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2006, 06:36:49 PM »
In another part of this forum this picture was presented as the wife of King Johann of Saxony. So that's Amalie (1801-1877)
I have seen a shetch of her in which the features look very similar. I'll try to locate it.

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Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2006, 06:48:23 PM »


Amalie (1801-1877)

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Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2006, 04:23:46 AM »
Dear regensburg,

I've seen so many portraits of Amalie Auguste Princess of Bavaria and Queen of Saxony. The woman on the painting Marc posted is definitely not her. Portraits of young Princess Amalie were usually painted by Joseph Stieler and I don't think that Marc's pic was done by him.

Oh, Marc: Where did you find this painting? Don't say: "Oh, on a website of some German auction house ..." :)
« Last Edit: November 07, 2006, 04:25:50 AM by MarieCharlotte »
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Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2006, 12:03:07 PM »
Hello all.... ;)

Sorry, if I give my voice here, even if I am no expert of the Wittelsbachs, but for my part I think that this is Auguste Amelie, queen of Saxony. All the dates of the others do not fit. I have seen it several times identified as the queen of Saxony, when still young. It´s true that Winterhalter is rather an official painter of the Second Empire, but this can be one of his earlier paintings, I am quite sure. He was born in 1805 and died in 1873, whereas Amelie , Princess of Bavaria was born in 1801 and lived until 1877. They are contemporaneans. So this portrait can have been made also before the Second Empire, by a younger Franz Winterhalter. Furthermore Joseph Stieler and Franz Winterhalter knew each other and also worked together for some time, as I have read.

If I compare this...





with this...



It is not so impossible that it is/ or can be the same person, even when the hair is a bit different, and even when I know that especially the older Amelie on photosgraphs seemed different.

The type of face and especially the nose of the woman on the Winterhalter Portraits bears a resemblence to Amelies mother Caroline of Baden (please look...so in my view)




The mentioned Amalia Pilhar does not fit in the formation at all in my view:



She is dark and the whole type is different.

Concerning the wife of Pius, who was also mentioned, I don´t know it, but concerning the life dates, I think it´s rather not her. She lived from 1789 until 1827, which means that Winterhalter must have painted her too young (Winterhalter was to young) as he was born in 1805, and Amelie of Arenberg died  with 38, and looks like a twenty year old on the picture, which means that Winterhalter was still a child then  ;D

Maybe others do not share my opinion, but  for me this is the most logical possibility. It should always bee considered that these are all only painting and every painter makes the people a bit different - as he sees them.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2006, 12:05:59 PM by britt.25 »
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2006, 12:24:19 PM »
I have to excuse for the second as some sources say that it shows her sister, but despite of that from the look, it´s not so impossible that the both can be sisters
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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2006, 04:36:27 PM »
Well, I agreed with you, Britt...The lady of the portrait can´t be Amalia Pilar of Spain. Of course, she can be Amalie of Saxony. She must be Amalie of Saxony, I think, when I read again your post ;)

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Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2006, 02:07:10 AM »
Thanks for reading my post ;)

But I doubt that MarieCharlotte will be convinced. I´m curious what she says, when he returns to our topic.
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