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Re: Archduchess Marie ValÚrie of Austria(-Tuscany)
« Reply #270 on: February 01, 2010, 12:44:24 PM »
She s talking about Maria Josefa in Bavaria nee Braganza, second wife of Karl Theodor, not Archduchess MAria josepha, Wife of Archduke Otto.

We should refer to her as Marie JosÚ. ;-)
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Re: Archduchess Marie ValÚrie of Austria(-Tuscany)
« Reply #271 on: February 01, 2010, 12:51:37 PM »
Yes to not confuse them. I looked for her in google  and i also found her as Duchess Maria Josepha in Bavaria cause in the beggining i was also a bit confused.

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Re: Archduchess Marie ValÚrie of Austria(-Tuscany)
« Reply #272 on: February 01, 2010, 04:50:42 PM »
Yes to not confuse them. I looked for her in google  and i also found her as Duchess Maria Josepha in Bavaria cause in the beggining i was also a bit confused.

Marie JosÚ used the German version of her name, Maria Josepha, whenever she signed official documents. Family members always called her Marie JosÚ - so do I, because I simply prefer this version. ;-)

It's quite interesting that FJ refered to Emperor Karl's mother as Marie Josepha.
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Re: Archduchess Marie ValÚrie of Austria(-Tuscany)
« Reply #273 on: February 02, 2010, 07:54:28 AM »
One of the..ugliest dresses I've ever seen on Royal persons and the most balloon-ish sleeves as well.

http://www.bildarchivaustria.at/Pages/ImageDetail.aspx?p_iBildID=12427305
I couldn't see it :-(

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Re: Archduchess Marie ValÚrie of Austria(-Tuscany)
« Reply #274 on: February 02, 2010, 10:27:08 AM »
For those who cant see it...

From the ONB


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Re: Archduchess Marie ValÚrie of Austria(-Tuscany)
« Reply #275 on: February 02, 2010, 06:55:19 PM »
Exergerated look. At least Alexandra of Wales or Ella of Russia would not be caught dead in that.

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Re: Archduchess Marie ValÚrie of Austria(-Tuscany)
« Reply #276 on: February 02, 2010, 07:41:57 PM »
Mids 1890s fashion. Thanks god that era started good and finished good talking about fashion

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Re: Archduchess Marie ValÚrie of Austria(-Tuscany)
« Reply #277 on: February 03, 2010, 10:44:08 PM »
Exergerated look. At least Alexandra of Wales or Ella of Russia would not be caught dead in that.

I don't know about Ella--there are some pictures of her in some seriously large sleeves. Can say I've ever seen Alexandra in them though. She kept it pretty sleek.
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Re: Archduchess Marie ValÚrie of Austria(-Tuscany)
« Reply #278 on: February 04, 2010, 10:24:14 AM »
Well...not the style exihibited by Valarie in that photo...

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Re: Archduchess Marie ValÚrie of Austria(-Tuscany)
« Reply #279 on: February 04, 2010, 10:30:58 AM »
Pretty close.
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Re: Archduchess Marie ValÚrie of Austria(-Tuscany)
« Reply #280 on: February 04, 2010, 10:34:10 AM »
Do you have proof in photo ?

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Re: Archduchess Marie ValÚrie of Austria(-Tuscany)
« Reply #281 on: February 04, 2010, 10:52:27 AM »
I don't have time to do your research but look at the Ella threads. Here's one not as big but still showing Ella wore the big sleeves of the day

http://www.picatom.com/u/ella1st-1.html

The problem is with definitive statements--that she would never be caught dead in such a fashion. Maybe not the extreme but to say that Ella never was a fashion victim isn't correct.

Anyway, back to Marie Valerie. This can be continued on one of Ella's threads.
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Re: Archduchess Marie ValÚrie of Austria(-Tuscany)
« Reply #282 on: February 04, 2010, 11:59:04 AM »
The point I am saying is that "not that extreme". The photo of Ella looked ok to me.

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Re: Archduchess Marie ValÚrie of Austria(-Tuscany)
« Reply #283 on: February 04, 2010, 03:06:29 PM »
I said the photo was illustrative of big sleeves not the extreme ones. You gave the impression Ella wouldn't even wear anything close and then challenged me for proof. I know people have a beef with you and your sourcing but stop taking it out on me--this is the 2nd or 3rd thread. If you make all or nothing statements people are going to ask you for proof. This has gone on for years now.

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