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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #345 on: October 31, 2009, 05:55:52 PM »
Someone has he the book  "Das Familienalbum  von Kaiser Karl und Kaiserin Zita" ? I would buy it but I do not know if he has a lot of unpublished photos of Karl and Zita, including their respective youth. Who do I contact about this ? Thank you in advance for the answer.


The book is very, very interesting. Most of the pictures I hadn't seen it elsewhere.

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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #346 on: November 01, 2009, 08:54:51 AM »
Thank you to you for your responses. This book seems interesting. But is it just a photo album ?
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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #347 on: November 02, 2009, 06:59:24 AM »
If I understand the word Bildbände correctly I have the impression that this should be just a photo album...but I'm not sure. :- /

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« Reply #348 on: November 02, 2009, 06:18:02 PM »
Thank you to you for your responses. This book seems interesting. But is it just a photo album ?
Yes, it is a photo album, with some family trees, and also a few pictures on the family, siblings especially, of Empress Zita. Also lots of pictures of the previous generations of Archduke Karl Ludwig, grandfather of Emperor Karl I, and his three spouses, like his brothers.

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« Reply #349 on: November 03, 2009, 01:20:00 PM »
Thank you for the clarification. I just ordered this book. I think this is a book that absolutely must have for all fans of Karl and Zita like me. Too bad it is just published in German.
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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #350 on: November 05, 2009, 07:35:10 AM »
An article from an Italian newspaper (not very new, it's from 2005 if I remember correctly).

The Relic of the "Blessed" Emperor

From today it will be kept at the church of Croce Santa, presents the descendants of Karl I of Habsburg too.



I can translate the entire article if anyone is interested...
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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #351 on: November 05, 2009, 11:23:17 AM »
I wonder if the Austrian Government will ever bring his remains from Madeira Island to Austria, where they belong.Amelia

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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #352 on: November 05, 2009, 12:34:07 PM »
I will not swear by this, as it has been a while since I was in Vienna,  but I think he is in the crypt with the others, including Zita. I will be back there in the spring and make sure though.
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« Reply #353 on: November 05, 2009, 12:58:54 PM »
I will correct myself, there is a memorial staute of Karl II in the crypt, his body is on the way pending the logistics. The Empress Zite is there, however
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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #354 on: November 05, 2009, 01:44:23 PM »
Hi Robert,

I visited the Empress Zita's tomb this September and was told that there are plans to re-patriate Charles but perhaps only after his canonization.
Apparently, the citizens of Madeira insist that his burial site still witnesses miracles and they don't want to remove him 'prematurely' (is what I was told - using that word!!)....

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« Reply #355 on: November 16, 2009, 08:29:52 AM »
The Facebook group dedicated to Blessed Karl: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bl-Karl-von-Habsburg/13204328031

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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #356 on: November 19, 2009, 07:33:20 PM »
Something I've always wondered about:  Both times Karl tried to regain the Hungarian throne, the reason Admiral Horthy gave for refusing to hand over the crown because the Little Entente would have attacked Hungary.  I don't think Horthy was bluffing, and I don't think he was power hungry himself (he didn't really act like it, as far as I know.)  So it seems that Horthy's fear was a genuine one. 


I really liked your question and Countess Kate's answer. I do not agree with all she said but it is her opinion and I respect that.  Where I most vehemently disagree is that the little entente did pose absolutely no danger of re-starting a war. As you stated Kaiser Karl was a pacifist and posed absolutely no threat to his neighbours. He loved Hungary and for that reason he tried to regain the crown twice. It was Horty's ambition to the throne and his absolute will to stay in power that made him one of the most remarkable traitors that surrounded the Kaiser.

I think that is a very interesting topic which did not take of

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« Reply #357 on: November 23, 2009, 04:09:47 PM »
It is not up to the Government to bring back Emperor Charles, it is up to the family.

Once the process of sanctification is over, he will most probably be brought to the Kapuzinergruft

Kaiser Karl, as emperor of Austria in 1917 financed the widening of the burial site so that all his 8 children wife and himself could fit in the Kapuziner Gruft. The first of the children to die was Archduchess Adelheit (1971) who loved Austria but certainly not the Kapuziner Gruft. She expressly refused to be buried there. Archduke Robert was the same. He really did not like the burial site full with all those tourists so he requested to be sent to rest in Peace in Muri Switzerland where the second largest burial sites of the Habsburgs is found. This is in a convent and is not open to the public. Archduchess Xenia and Anne Eugenie are also there, together with Xenia’s son Johannes. Eventually Archduke Felix and Archduke Rudolf will be set to rest in Muri together with their defunct wifes.

Archduke Carl Ludwig had a special attachment to the Kapuziner Gruft and was his express wish to be there.

Archduke Otto will be sent to the Kapuziner Gruft together with Archduchess Regina.

Muri's burial site is also quite full and will not accommodate all 33 grand children of Kaiser Karl and Kaiserin Zita. They will have to rest in peace somewhere else.

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« Reply #358 on: November 23, 2009, 04:28:28 PM »
I was told that the lady that had been miraculously saved through prayers died unexpectedly. Due to the fact that the miracle was being revised in Rom and she died the Miracle does not count. The Gebetsliga or "league of prayers" is looking at other miracles and studying new ones in order to submit a new one to be studied by the bishop, then referred from the Bishop to the Vatican.

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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #359 on: November 24, 2009, 03:39:12 AM »
I was told that the lady that had been miraculously saved through prayers died unexpectedly.

Hello Maximiliano!, thanks for the interesting posts!

Are you referring to the Florida woman that had been inexplicably healed?...I hope not. :- (

Here you can read the article: http://norumbega.co.uk/2008/04/14/blessed-charles/
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