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Offline Whiskers

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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #360 on: November 27, 2009, 04:03:36 PM »
There are two sources that are responsible for the repatriation of Karl's body from Madeira to Austria, and neither spoken to each other about It or have plans to bring the body of Karl back from Madeira.

As for sainthood you either believe or you don't, that's It?

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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #361 on: November 27, 2009, 04:04:46 PM »
Karl to meet poor people :



One of the meetings between Kaiser Karl and Kaiser Wilhelm II :



Empress Zita visiting a hospital :


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« Reply #362 on: November 27, 2009, 10:37:40 PM »
"This is the kind of canonization I don't think is terribly helpful," said Reese, a Jesuit and former editor of the magazine America. "We don't need any more kings or princes or bishops . . . We need to find saints that connect to ordinary people.


FYI, most people would consider the Jesuits and America to be fairly leftwing. So this comment is not surprising.

OooH! These Jesuits! It doesn't matter at all if a Saint comes from lower or upper classes! If smeone is really a Saint, he must be cannonized, no matter if he was so "unlucky" to have been born a royal.  ;D Before, lower classes people were rejected by upper classes. Now, it's the opposite. And...what about leting revenge aside and consider ourselves bad and god people, no matter where were we born?

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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #363 on: November 28, 2009, 04:10:17 AM »
I'm totally agree with you!, RealAnastasia.
Karl had the fortune to have been born a Royal, but his simplicity, honesty, altruism, and spirituality can't be ignored just because of his "high born".

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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #364 on: November 28, 2009, 08:19:04 AM »
Hi,

Wouldn't it be nice for Otto and his living siblings and their descendants to have Karl canonized while they were still alive...

I personally don't believe in all this religious hokum, but it would be a hoot to say, "Daddy is a saint!!"....   8)

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« Reply #365 on: November 28, 2009, 03:56:54 PM »
You do not want to know how I feel about the religious hokum, Larry.
 But there is a lot of misunderstanding of what a  "saint" is. It only means "ANY" Christian, at least Catholic or Orthodox  has died in Grace and is now in the presence of god. Canonization did not even become a formal process until almost 1000ad. It originally was applied only to those who died for their faith- martyrs.  None of the early martyrs, nor apostles, were ever canonised. JPII turned it into a dime-a-dozen process.  is a delaration of honour and worthy of intercession for extraordinary acts of faith.
 BTW, the Jesuits was my order.
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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #366 on: November 29, 2009, 04:31:07 AM »
Well, English it's not my native language, but if I understand the word hokum correctly, this is another manner to say sentimentality or worst nonsense, right?...

If so, can I kindly ask to not use that word anymore, thanks. :- ), unfortunately it could be offensive for believer members.
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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #367 on: November 29, 2009, 10:37:43 PM »
Unfortunately?

RealAnastasia. >:( :(

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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #368 on: November 30, 2009, 04:02:39 AM »
RealAnastasia, did I said something wrong? :- /...as I said English it's not my native language, so sometimes I have difficulties to express myself in a totally correct way...
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Since we were talking about miracles attributed to Emperor Karl in the previous page, here there is the story of the healing of Sister Maria Zita Gradowska (first healing attributed to Karl): http://www.emperorcharles.org/English/miracle.shtml

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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #369 on: December 04, 2009, 08:35:29 PM »
I think I saw some in the forum. If I find one somewhere else I will post it.

Why do you think Empress Zita chose Quebec City? It is a lovely town but not a Metropolis, like Vienna or other towns she had lived previously.

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« Reply #370 on: December 04, 2009, 10:49:52 PM »
I just looked at my book "Zita The last empress of Austria" and see that its sign by mr Hammerschmid and 3 other ..I think one signute is AD Rudolf..if i could i would scan it here but of course i dont know how.There is around 40 very nice pictures from Canada and ny .

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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #371 on: December 05, 2009, 07:28:57 AM »
The Imperial couple for inspection in the Tyrol :









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« Reply #372 on: December 08, 2009, 10:29:24 AM »
It was said that Karl was in love with a Princess von Hohenlohe before Zita and that Franz Josef said to him to search for another bride...can anyone tell me who was she?

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Re: Emperor Karl of Austria & Empress Zita, their family, Part I
« Reply #373 on: December 09, 2009, 04:48:12 PM »
It was said that Karl was in love with a Princess von Hohenlohe before Zita and that Franz Josef said to him to search for another bride...can anyone tell me who was she?

It was Bella Hohenlohe - Isabella (1891-1982), daughter of Gottfried Hohenlohe-Langenburg.

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« Reply #374 on: December 09, 2009, 04:58:59 PM »
Thank you,always wondered who was this Hohenohe Princess and why was she objected negatively for Archduke Karl?It seems that Hohenlohe-Langenburg family was "good enough" for the Imperial family of Germany,but not for the Habsburgs...